[Gustav]

tvas, you have some VERY nice toys! Yesterday was great, the LP560 was FAST! You should have been there with the Z06

Very nice Dymag wheels on the Z06!

 

[MPOWER-RULE]

I dont think we can outrun RS6 V10TT easily, it was just too fast, It can't be beat unless you're in and out the corner, AUDI's Q 4WD system always understeer, that's when and where you jump in, However,back to the strait line, it will just pull away...

 

[Tom C]

true the rs6 is very fast but I think this test is just a bit off.
Why: your fighting the rs6 at his best level. from the low revs the rs6 had more torque. also if you would do it from a standing start it would be harder for the rs6. due to his quattro system and weight it would have a much harder time to beat the M5.
But i will admit its a very fast car

Are you joking? Having had the older RS6 and other high powered AWD vehicles...you don't want to mess with them from a dig (standing start) unless you have enough ground to make it up on the top end. Believe me, if it has enough power to build a lead up to 140mph...then it would have only added to the RS6's margin of victory from a dig.

Also for those complaining about 20" rims...come on.. that wasn't going to make a 10lbs extra isn't going to make a difference. What would make a difference is the couple of hundred pounds of added weight the avant has over the sedan. As others have said let's give Audi some credit. It only provides incentive for all the manufacturers to bring out more powerful and higher performing products in the future.

Tom

 

[MPOWER-RULE]

let's give Audi some credit. It only provides incentive for all the manufacturers to bring out more powerful and higher performing products in the future.

Tom

I'm 100% with you, if you try to race an Audi in the rain,
You will feel and know what the difference...

:M5launch:

 

[SUPRA]

Hi T Bone :cheers:

Remember this?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...-discussion/114445-place-your-bets-rs6-m5-faster-sport-autos-upcoming-test.html

Vote M5 you knobs! Quattro is going to kill the RS6

:dunno:

I am supremely confident that the RS6 will get embarassed at the airfield in the summer. All Audis get embarassed there :7:

:nono:

All the Audi fan bois are going to cry when they see BMW ///M 5 and ///M 6 taillights when you run SSS 4 this summer.

:crying:hiha

My friend, wait until they run heads up on the airfield

The wait was worth it :thumbsup:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/gtboard-com-general-sportscars/98435-e60-m5-vs-new-rs6.html

I think in the upcoming videos from your homeland, you will see the mighty Audi act as backmarkers....

They seriously have to think about their whole Quattro story if they want to be serious sports car people. They will never have a serious sports car with Quattro.

You never have enough HP to compensate for the drivetrain losses.

I stand pat with my bet with Cazorp. The E60M5 will kill the new RS6 at Gustav's Supercar Shootout in Sweden 3 and the Nurburgring....

The weight, Quattro are the big issues for this car....

Still, very nice looking. And I feel sorry for the poseur chumps in "sportscars" that are going to get dusted but this thing. :1:

:goldcup:

Cazorp, do you concede your wager yet? If you do, it will be a simple method of payment.... A picture of an M Licence plate on your Audi in front of a BMW dealership. If you wish to continue your path of denial that the E60 M5 is faster than the RS6, you will find no refuge with your fellow Audi enthusiasts when you take a picture with them proclaiming that "Audi Sucks".

This is your chance.....

:noSMG:

This is why I am confident in our wager.....

You cannot outpower weight and drivetrain losses..... M5 will kill the RS6.

:nono:

etc. etc.

 

[BMWM5786]

Holy crap, I never expected that. I forget what magazine tested the r8 against the rs6 recently (25 secs. to 150 mph vs 23 secs for the rs6). The M5 gets to 150 mph in 20.8 seconds or thereabouts, so I thought it would win. Which goes to show, take what you read in magazines with a pinch of salt.

The sad part is this was against the wagon. Based on this clip, imagine what the sedan is capable of. h:

I'm staying far away from the rs6:haha:, for now that is.

 

[BMWM5786]

Actually, after thinking about this some more, I'm not entirely convinced. I know how easily a mild tweak on a turbocharged motor can easily net 100 bhp. Mtm's already pushing over 700 bhp on the rs6. If indeed it is stock, that's mighty impressive.

Audi A6 - Autocar.co.uk

This car is really not that fast, look at the 0-100mph times and the 0-150 mph times.

Nah, I'm not buying it:confused2

 

[Zod]

finally nice to see the new RS6 in action was waiting on news of this car :lightbulb:

 

[Gustav]

One thing to take into consideration is that the weather was cold: around 5-10 degrees Celsius that benefited the twin turbocharged RS6.

 

[T Bone]

Hi T Bone :cheers:

Remember this?

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...-discussion/114445-place-your-bets-rs6-m5-faster-sport-autos-upcoming-test.html
The wait was worth it :thumbsup:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/gtboard-com-general-sportscars/98435-e60-m5-vs-new-rs6.html

etc. etc.

Yes yes Supra, I won't deny making those comments. My request is for a run for a bone stock M5 vs. a bone stock RS6.

Those 20" wheels will have a material affect on acceleration.


Gustav - can I make this a request for the next run?

 

[Gustav]

We did one run with another M5 with 19' wheels which had Dnnan exhaust and soem kind of ECU flash.

To be fair we should have raced the M5 Touring or RS6 Sedan. But I would say the difference should not have been his large in the summer since at thsi run it was quite cold, between 5-10 degrees benefetting the turbocharged cars.

Yes yes Supra, I won't deny making those comments. My request is for a run for a bone stock M5 vs. a bone stock RS6.

Those 20" wheels will have a material affect on acceleration.


Gustav - can I make this a request for the next run?

 

[Tom C]

Yes yes Supra, I won't deny making those comments. My request is for a run for a bone stock M5 vs. a bone stock RS6.

Those 20" wheels will have a material affect on acceleration.


Gustav - can I make this a request for the next run?

Can you explain this "material affect on acceleration"?

Tom

 

[bugzy]

:cheers:

go Audi go !!

good job

the RS6 Avant is just a beautiful car

I'd drop my M5 if they brought over the RS4 Avant to the states

 

[Tom C]

Ok...I won't wait for your "official" answer. I believe that before someone makes a statement like "Those 20" wheels will have a material affect on acceleration"...they should at least academically look at if it holds true.

For those thinking that the 20" wheels weigh more...here is exhibit A: a replica M6 wheel in 20" weighing in at 27lbs

BMW M6 Style Wheel 18''/19''/20'' Silver/Gunmetal

Exhibit B: People reporting that the stock 19" M5 wheels weigh 28lbs.

Stock wheels and seat weight? - bimmerfest - BMW Forums

For those that feel that the wheel size will greatly impact gearing:

Exhibit C: A comparison of the effective gear ratios of stock M5 wheel (285/35ZR19 vs prospective 295/30ZR20)

Exhibit D: A comparison of the effective gear ratios of stock M5 wheel (285/35ZR19 vs prospective 305/25ZR20)

Not sure what tire sizes but it is doubtful that it "materially" impacted anything. If the tire height is smaller...it could give it a better effective accelerating gear ratio...

Tom

 

[Gustav]

Nice exhibits Tom It is also relevant where the mass is focused on the wheel and the weight of the tyre.

Anyhow we did the run with another M5 so its not a problem.

What could have affected th eoutcome to the RS6 advantage is that it was very cold, between 5 and 10 degrees Celsius. I do not beleive an RS6 or RS6 Avant could replicate this a summer day.

 

[Tom C]

Nice exhibits Tom It is also relevant where the mass is focused on the wheel and the weight of the tyre.

Anyhow we did the run with another M5 so its not a problem.

What could have affected th eoutcome to the RS6 advantage is that it was very cold, between 5 and 10 degrees Celsius. I do not beleive an RS6 or RS6 Avant could replicate this a summer day.

I agree weather has a much greater impact on turbo cars. It is starting to get colder and colder over here... and my V12TT loves it... anyone want to race? :haha:

Tom

 

[SUPRA]

We did one run with another M5 with 19' wheels which had Dnnan exhaust and soem kind of ECU flash.

Gustav, is my understanding correct?

This RS6 (on stock 20") also raced a tuned M5 sedan on 19" with Dinan exhaust + ECU and won.

 

[THO///M5AS]

Hi,

Sorry I missed the event yesterday - it looks like a great time as always.

A friend came by with a RS6 he borrowed from the dealer. A couple of observations when comparing to my M5 Touring (tuned by RPI and Supersprint):

- RS6 is unbeatable from standing start. It was raining today and it was totally impossible to have a chance against it.
- RS6 has increadible traction and it is very difficult to force any oversteer. M5 would not have a chance against it on a wet/snowy track.
- the rolling start were more equal. When I used S5 I was barely hanging on to him between 50/100-200 km/h. When I used S6 I was even up to 200 and then started to pull. Between 200 and 300 km/h, the Touring was faster.

The RS6 is:
- much quiter than standard M5 and dead silence compared to my Supersprint Touring
- feels more like a S6/S8 type of car.
- Steering is not as direct as in the M5
- Brakes a bit weaker than my standard discs with Pagids.
- gear paddles sits too low on the steering wheel forcing you too shift with your pinkies. It was very hard to manually change gears as the gearbox changed automatically as soon as you were in the readline area and the lack of engine noise made it hard to hear when it was time to shift.
- really missed HUD in the RS6. The speedometer sits to the right and at 200+ it is impossible to get an accurate reading as the meter hides behind the steering wheel/your hands.

Final verdict?
- RS6 in the fall, winter and on the ice
- M5 in the spring, summer and on the track

Thomas

We did one run with another M5 with 19' wheels which had Dnnan exhaust and soem kind of ECU flash.

To be fair we should have raced the M5 Touring or RS6 Sedan. But I would say the difference should not have been his large in the summer since at thsi run it was quite cold, between 5-10 degrees benefetting the turbocharged cars.

 

[Gustav]

Thanks for the review Thomas.

 

[bugzy]

either way, the E60 M5 and the new RS6 are beautiful german cars

nice write up Thomas