Personally, I would not choose replicas over the quality OEM wheels. However, if you decide to go reps, at least get ones that are lightweight so you don't negatively affect handling for the sake of aesthetics. I'm not sure about the race gts wheels, but Breyton's are usually heavy wheels.

 

Personally, I would not choose replicas over the quality OEM wheels. However, if you decide to go reps, at least get ones that are lightweight so you don't negatively affect handling for the sake of aesthetics. I'm not sure about the race gts wheels, but Breyton's are usually heavy wheels.

I'm wondering though being that the Breytons are the original designer of the wheel that the Miro 111 is a replica of that they are a better wheel. Was hoping that someone had experience between the breyton and the replica that miro makes of it.

I'm not overly concerned about the weight difference - mainly just curious about manufacturing quality.

 

Miro 111's are not replicas what are you talking about! You are very mis-informed if you think that. Plus they are very lightweight wheels.

 

I hope you're not serious. The miros are obviously replicas of the breytons. Miro doesn't make original wheel designs if you know the company at all.

 

Miros are completely different than the breytons and actually get your facts straight. Miro produces many of their own wheels which are NOT replicas. You really have no idea what you are talking about. And the 111's are a prime example of a miro original wheel. Just because something has a similar spoke pattern doesn't mean it's a replica. You're clueless. Apparently I know the company better than you. Much better I'd say because in own 3 cars currently that run miro original wheels. An e55 with miro 111's, an M5 with miro 111's and a 530i m-tech with Miro 942's

You seem confused because Miro does make high quality replicas of oem wheels... But they do also have plenty of their own designs on top of replicas they make which are clearly sold as replica "style" wheels.

 

Miros are completely different than the breytons and actually get your facts straight. Miro produces many of their own wheels which are NOT replicas. You really have no idea what you are talking about. And the 111's are a prime example of a miro original wheel. Just because something has a similar spoke pattern doesn't mean it's a replica. You're clueless. Apparently I know the company better than you. Much better I'd say because in own 3 cars currently that run miro original wheels. An e55 with miro 111's, an M5 with miro 111's and a 530i m-tech with Miro 942's

You seem confused because Miro does make high quality replicas of oem wheels... But they do also have plenty of their own designs on top of replicas they make which are clearly sold as replica "style" wheels.

Let me educate you on the extremely clear similarity between the original Breyton Race GTS design, and the Miro replica of it. The Breytons came out first. The Miros came out after them - and what do you know, look almost exactly the same except for a couple minor changes made to appease copyright lawyers (same is done with CSL replicas and BBS LM wheels that Miro makes as well). Below are the original wheel and the miro replicas. You're also wrong in assuming the Miro 942s are original Miro designs. They are also clearly a replica of the BMW OEM Style 313 wheel. I'd suggest that you check your own facts before you make incorrect arguments.

Breyton:

Miro 111 - replica of breyton race gts

OEM 313:

Miro 942 Replica of BMW OEM Style 313

 

I'm still not seeing how you think the miros are a replica of the breyton gts. They are completely different wheel styles and the miros are so much more concave and have a completely different style on the spokes they look nothing alike just because they have a Y spoke pattern? Replica pretty sure that means " an exact copy " and the Miros are far from being a replica like the 942's are of the 313oem wheel (exact replica)

By posting those pictures you just proved yourself wrong maybe it's time for A visit to your eye doctor.

Thin Y spoke breyton without much concave Vs thick Y spoke and very concave miro 111? They look completely different off and a car and on one even more so.

 

I'm still not seeing how you think the miros are a replica of the breyton gts. They are completely different wheel styles and the miros are so much more concave and have a completely different style on the spokes they look nothing alike just because they have a Y spoke pattern? Replica pretty sure that means " an exact copy " and the Miros are far from being a replica like the 942's are of the 313oem wheel (exact replica)

By posting those pictures you just proved yourself wrong maybe it's time for A visit to your eye doctor.

Thin Y spoke breyton without much concave Vs thick Y spoke and very concave miro 111? They look completely different off and a car and on one even more so.

Again, wrong, as you were also wrong that the 942s are original miro designs. If you throw out more supposed "original Miro designs" that the company is supposedly well known for, I'm happy to educate you on those as well. Replica wheels typically have slight stylistic differences to keep copyright attorneys at bay, even then some companies get in trouble with their replicas being a little too authentic looking. Miro does it with their CSL and BBS LM replicas by having slightly thicker or thinner spokes and other small changes. This is a fact - if pics showing the extremely similar design of the breyton GTS vs Miro 111 and the BMW OEM Style 313 vs Miro 942, than I think we're done here. Do some more research and you'll find that I'm right. The miros are so similar to the breytons and vice versa that they're commonly mistaken for each other in wheel threads.

 

Supark, if you can get a brand new wheel and tire combo for $500 more go with that. I purchase a set of used Forgestar wheels from a board member earlier this year and ended up with a bent wheel and spent time and money getting the wheel fixed then didn't lime the look and resold them. My point is you never know what you are going to get when buying used wheels.

As for which wheel is better I think you will be happy with both. I personally like the look of the Miro better.

 

Supark, if you can get a brand new wheel and tire combo for $500 more go with that. I purchase a set of used Forgestar wheels from a board member earlier this year and ended up with a bent wheel and spent time and money getting the wheel fixed then didn't lime the look and resold them. My point is you never know what you are going to get when buying used wheels.

As for which wheel is better I think you will be happy with both. I personally like the look of the Miro better.

Yeah it's funny that sometimes the replica actually looks a little better than the real thing - I'm kind of leaning towards the Miros myself, mainly because like you said, I can get a new set with tires for not much more. Bummer on your forgestar experience though - hopefully the seller owned up to the bend :\

 

They are mistaken for breyton's because of people uneducated about wheels and just see shapes. they are not replicas of breytons. IF ANYTHING they are a joint project with eurosport monza. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE A REPLICA OF A NON OEM WHEEL?

 

They are mistaken for breyton's because of people uneducated about wheels and just see shapes. they are not replicas of breytons. IF ANYTHING they are a joint project with eurosport monza.

lol, you mean the replica manufacturer eurosport monza? Regardless, this is veering off the topic of the thread. Back on topic - sounds like the general consensus is pass on the breytons.

 

I just want to hear you say the Miro 111's aren't replicas of breyton's... because they arent. lol everything else i'm ok with. But they are not a replica of each other in any way.

 

Reminds me of that scene in Step Brothers where he wants to hear him say "I want to hear you say with your filthy little mouth you were on my drum set, I know it because Cops doesn't start until 4"!!!!

 

I would pick MIRO 111s. Nice clean look. Although I heard form a vendor that their customer service is not so great so beware of any damage claims, etc. HOw about Avant Garde 310s? Call Modbargains for info on these. They are familiar with both types and can advise you on your purchase.

 

I've had plenty of three piece wheels and honestly prefer my miros to them looks wise and driving feel wise. If you bend one they are cheap to replace ! In new York that is very important cause we have terrible roads

 

You, sir, are obviously on drugs. Miro is the same as Rota. All they do is copy their designs from other manufacturers and undersell with a cheaper quality wheel. Companies like Miro are the sole reason why the wheel industry is in such distress. Would you ever buy a replica/copy of your M5?

 

I like my Breyton's. I get a ton of complements on them and they seem to have an excellent build quality. I bought them from TireRack.com (which is conveniently located 10 miles from my house)

 

So Miro111's are replicas or not?

 

lol

 

Nope. Find a rim they are a replica of and get back to me. Still don't see how anyone thinks they are reps of the breytons. I can name a million other rims that look just like the breytons too just go on tire rack and look how similar they all look to breytons are they all reps in your eyes?

 

Nope. Find a rim they are a replica of and get back to me. Still don't see how anyone thinks they are reps of the breytons.

Again - you were wrong that Miro makes original wheel designs, that the 942 is an original wheel, and you're still wrong that the miro 111 isn't a dead ringer and at the very least a Breyton Race GTS "Style" wheel. We're piddling over semantics here over the meaning of replica versus a "style" wheel - it's just language that replica manufacturers use so they don't get in trouble from patent attorneys.

More comparison pics:

 

Yea I would if it was lighter and good quality like the Miros are. They use the same manufacturing process and are lighter than the originals. Hate all you want but less money, better design and concavity and lighter? I think the choice is clear.


The wheel industry is in distress? Survival/prosperity of the fittest and free market is what this country is all about other brands wanna charge a premium for "name" without any actual benefit they can go screw themselves.

 

Yea I would if it was lighter and good quality like the Miros are. They use the same manufacturing process and are lighter than the originals. Hate all you want but less money, better design and concavity and lighter? I think the choice is clear.

Dont be one of those "yolo" miscreants and call my response hate. Just because my opinion differs from yours does not constitute "hate." You're pretty much admitting that all you care for are aesthetics and cheap price. You will go far, padawon.

 

replica - "an exact reproduction"

Please show me one ******* wheel that the miro 111 is a replica of.

It's lighter more concave and has completely different spoke design.

It's not like they made a mold from a breyton gts and just resold them as their own. The wheel is based off one of the most common european spoke designs in history. The Y spoke. Go on tire rack and select BMW m5 and click wheels. Please tell me how many ******* Y spoke rims u find that look similar but aren't the exactly the same. Are these all replicas too?

 

You're ignoring the most hilariously obvious fact here. Miro makes 100% replicas if you go to their site or if you look at any of their discontinued wheels. Why would they make only 1 original wheel style, and then make replicas for all their other designs? Original wheel designers typically have more than one design :haha:. You were already wrong that the the Miro "style 942" is a replica of the BMW OEM style 313 - you seem to be ignoring this fact. Miro's type 368 is a replica of the BBS LM-R, the type 380 is a replica of the BBS LM, etc etc

Quit arguing over semantics - ie the literal dictionary definition of the word "replica" versus the reality of what a "replica" is in the real world. Miro is a replica manufacturer. Period. End of story. Ask Miro directly and ask any other forum, and they'll tell you something to that effect - Miro will typically say Breyton "Style" or BBS LM "Style" because the word "replica" has litigious consequences if used in for sale ads.

As I've said multiple times already, a legitimate replica in the wheel world typically has slight differences in design so they don't get in trouble with BMW, BBS, Breyton, etc for doing straight reproductions. M-parallels replicas are not finished in the same way as the real thing, CSL replicas have slightly different thicknesses of spokes and concavity, and so on and so forth. They legally can't do an exact reproduction, but the Miro 111 is a close enough ringer to the Breyton GTS at a much more attractive price point that people don't care.

 

How is lighter categorized in aesthetics ? You can't see weight of a solid object lol obviously a performance characteristic.

 

You think they're lighter because they were forged to be light? Theyre light for the wrong reasons (i.e. to cut down production costs.) On the subject of cutting production costs, copying wheel designs from others will do that too.

 

Funny you say that because breyton uses the cheapest casting method available to make the gts's. Gravity cast wheels which both of them are can only be so strong to begin with what possible difference could their be to put a 500 dollar difference between them other than "name"

 

Never once did I say that Breyton was a quality wheel. It's like how Burberry has their watches manufactured by fossil and sold for five times their counterpart. But dont go around saying that Miro isnt a replica wheel company.

 

I clearly said they do make replicas, but the miro 111/935 is not one. They obviously designed the wheel differently maybe their mold of the breyton was just bad lol and it came out looking better than the original???


They obviously had to design the wheel in house if there is no other exact wheel on the market that it came from no?

 

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Potassium.

 

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these all must be breyton replicas too in your mind... ya know... with slight changes for copyright/trademark/patent reasons.

Every one of those wheels were designed in house by each individual company. Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are replicas. Because to be a replica... you must be EXACT. You claim miro changed the design of JUST the miro 111 to avoid legal issues when they sell TONS of EXACT replicas on the SAME MARKET. If miro wanted to make a replica of the breyton they would MAKE IT EXACTLY as it it. Your point makes no sense, because they sell tons of 100% replica wheels and don't get in any legal trouble for it.

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these all must be breyton replicas too in your mind... ya know... with slight changes for copyright/trademark/patent reasons

Every one of those wheels were designed in house by each individual company. Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are replicas. Because to be a replica... you must be EXACT. You claim miro changed the design of JUST the miro 111 to avoid legal issues when they sell TONS of EXACT replicas on the SAME MARKET. If miro wanted to make a replica of the breyton they would MAKE IT EXACTLY as it it. Your point makes no sense, because they sell tons of 100% replica wheels and don't get in any legal trouble for it.

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Sigh, if you think this Miro replica of a BBS LM looks like the real thing, than I can't help ya.

Having owned both the real thing and a replica - the replicas always have differences, sometimes minor and sometimes major. Same with CSL replicas and M-Parallel replicas.

And most of the wheels you just posted are replicas of the BBS CH and CH-R. If you think the CH and CH-R look like the Breyton and the Miro 111 aside from number of spokes, you're clearly wrong. Also you post up ASA's licensed repro of the BBS CH, and Avarus which is another not very well known replica maker. None of these wheels support your point - to the contrary they negate it.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. You for some reason think that Miro, a company primarily known as an inexpensive replica maker, only manufacturers one original wheel, with every other wheel it produces being a replica. That makes a ton of sense.

 

To they say the truth miro does sell replica wheels but the miro 111 i think is not a replica wheel, i haven't seen the same wheel as the 111's style that are made by any other original company out here.

 

Again, we'll have to just agree to disagree. I'm obviously not going to sway your opinions from the fact that it is a replica or "breyton CH style" wheel.

 

We all know how the industry works, everyone makes small changes to get past the law suits but the Miros which at one time I was going to purchase looked too much like the Breytons so I decided to go a different route plus I wanted something unique and not a copy of another brand. I guess for someone who does not want to spend upwards of 5k it is best to get something cheaper yet similar looking.

 

Unfortunately not everyone understands this haha, but I digress

 

hey guess what... heres your breyton rep you were looking for... sorry to tell you the MIRO 111 is not a replica. Just because your eyes are bad and you think they look the same doesn't mean they are a replica.

as i stated before, you are completely wrong...

an actual replica wheel:

BMW Staggered Wheels - B300 - 19"

it would be nice if you actually showed me a wheel the miro is a rep of... but you never have. So until you do... Stop spreading false information.