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Miro 111's are not replicas what are you talking about! You are very mis-informed if you think that. Plus they are very lightweight wheels.

I hope you're not serious. The miros are obviously replicas of the breytons. Miro doesn't make original wheel designs if you know the company at all.

 

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Personally, I would not choose replicas over the quality OEM wheels. However, if you decide to go reps, at least get ones that are lightweight so you don't negatively affect handling for the sake of aesthetics. I'm not sure about the race gts wheels, but Breyton's are usually heavy wheels.

I'm wondering though being that the Breytons are the original designer of the wheel that the Miro 111 is a replica of that they are a better wheel. Was hoping that someone had experience between the breyton and the replica that miro makes of it.

I'm not overly concerned about the weight difference - mainly just curious about manufacturing quality.

 

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Miros are completely different than the breytons and actually get your facts straight. Miro produces many of their own wheels which are NOT replicas. You really have no idea what you are talking about. And the 111's are a prime example of a miro original wheel. Just because something has a similar spoke pattern doesn't mean it's a replica. You're clueless. Apparently I know the company better than you. Much better I'd say because in own 3 cars currently that run miro original wheels. An e55 with miro 111's, an M5 with miro 111's and a 530i m-tech with Miro 942's

You seem confused because Miro does make high quality replicas of oem wheels... But they do also have plenty of their own designs on top of replicas they make which are clearly sold as replica "style" wheels.

Let me educate you on the extremely clear similarity between the original Breyton Race GTS design, and the Miro replica of it. The Breytons came out first. The Miros came out after them - and what do you know, look almost exactly the same except for a couple minor changes made to appease copyright lawyers (same is done with CSL replicas and BBS LM wheels that Miro makes as well). Below are the original wheel and the miro replicas. You're also wrong in assuming the Miro 942s are original Miro designs. They are also clearly a replica of the BMW OEM Style 313 wheel. I'd suggest that you check your own facts before you make incorrect arguments.

Breyton:

Miro 111 - replica of breyton race gts

OEM 313:

Miro 942 Replica of BMW OEM Style 313

 

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Supark, if you can get a brand new wheel and tire combo for $500 more go with that. I purchase a set of used Forgestar wheels from a board member earlier this year and ended up with a bent wheel and spent time and money getting the wheel fixed then didn't lime the look and resold them. My point is you never know what you are going to get when buying used wheels.

As for which wheel is better I think you will be happy with both. I personally like the look of the Miro better.

Yeah it's funny that sometimes the replica actually looks a little better than the real thing - I'm kind of leaning towards the Miros myself, mainly because like you said, I can get a new set with tires for not much more. Bummer on your forgestar experience though - hopefully the seller owned up to the bend :\

 

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Personally, I don't have experience with either one. I would expect the Breyton's to be of good quality, but I remember they were relatively heavy when I looked at them years ago on the tire rack, but weight is not your concern. I'm sure their website can give you the exact weights of these wheels and you might want to ask a rep there about the quality. I ended up buying a set of BBS LMs which I love.

The Miro wheels appear to be very popular choice for guys that want the style of an aftermarket wheel at a inexpensive price point. Less than $1k for a new set of wheels is very inexpensive. I would expect them to be of good quality, since I have not read any negative comments about them. Then again, I have no personal experience. However, if there were a significant weight difference and the styles and pricing are equal in your personal opinion, i would go with the lighter ones for sure

Good luck on your decision

By the way, I like the 111s better than the 313s.

Yeah I've had a few sets of Miros in the past (their LM and CSL reps) and haven't had a negative experience yet. The Breytons are known as boat anchors. Oh and I wasn't interested in the OEM Style 313s - was just showing Skunkd that he was wrong that they are an original Miro design.

 

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I'm still not seeing how you think the miros are a replica of the breyton gts. They are completely different wheel styles and the miros are so much more concave and have a completely different style on the spokes they look nothing alike just because they have a Y spoke pattern? Replica pretty sure that means " an exact copy " and the Miros are far from being a replica like the 942's are of the 313oem wheel (exact replica)

By posting those pictures you just proved yourself wrong maybe it's time for A visit to your eye doctor.

Thin Y spoke breyton without much concave Vs thick Y spoke and very concave miro 111? They look completely different off and a car and on one even more so.

Again, wrong, as you were also wrong that the 942s are original miro designs. If you throw out more supposed "original Miro designs" that the company is supposedly well known for, I'm happy to educate you on those as well. Replica wheels typically have slight stylistic differences to keep copyright attorneys at bay, even then some companies get in trouble with their replicas being a little too authentic looking. Miro does it with their CSL and BBS LM replicas by having slightly thicker or thinner spokes and other small changes. This is a fact - if pics showing the extremely similar design of the breyton GTS vs Miro 111 and the BMW OEM Style 313 vs Miro 942, than I think we're done here. Do some more research and you'll find that I'm right. The miros are so similar to the breytons and vice versa that they're commonly mistaken for each other in wheel threads.

 

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They are mistaken for breyton's because of people uneducated about wheels and just see shapes. they are not replicas of breytons. IF ANYTHING they are a joint project with eurosport monza.

lol, you mean the replica manufacturer eurosport monza? Regardless, this is veering off the topic of the thread. Back on topic - sounds like the general consensus is pass on the breytons.

 

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WHY WOULD THEY MAKE A REPLICA OF A NON OEM WHEEL?

Quoted for posterity. Now I gotta assume you're just trolling and not serious. Companies make replicas of non OEM wheels all the time. The avant garde V710s are replicas of HREs, a non OEM wheel. BBS LMs are non OEM and are widely copied. I could go on ad nauseum.

 

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I just want to hear you say the Miro 111's aren't replicas of breyton's... because they arent. lol everything else i'm ok with. But they are not a replica of each other in any way.

Hopefully you're seeing a pattern here. You've made several statements that you think emphatically believe are true, and you've been proven wrong with all of them. Let me list them:

• You thought Miro makes a ton of original wheel styles, listing the "miro 942" as an example of one of these. I showed that you're wrong, and that they're obviously replicas of the OEM style 313s.
• You thought it was ridiculous that a company would make a replica of a non-OEM wheel. I showed you that you're wrong with some very common examples - the BBS LM being probably one of the most common non-OEM replica, as well as the popular AG V710 which is a rep of an HRE wheel. Miro also makes a replica of the Hamann PG2 and HM2. Along with a ton of others that they've since discontinued.
• And lastly, you think Miro 111s are an original wheel style that Miro actually created from scratch. When vendors actually describe them as a Breytone style rim, with which they show several distinct styling similarities with, along with the fact that Miro is well known as a replica manufacturer (very similar to another replica manufacturer called Moven). Along with the fact that the Miro came out after the very similar looking Breyton originated with the design.

I've stated several logical reasons why you're wrong. Just because you state something is true a dozen times doesn't make it true. I think we're done here.

 

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lol

 

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Nope. Find a rim they are a replica of and get back to me. Still don't see how anyone thinks they are reps of the breytons.

Again - you were wrong that Miro makes original wheel designs, that the 942 is an original wheel, and you're still wrong that the miro 111 isn't a dead ringer and at the very least a Breyton Race GTS "Style" wheel. We're piddling over semantics here over the meaning of replica versus a "style" wheel - it's just language that replica manufacturers use so they don't get in trouble from patent attorneys.

More comparison pics:

 

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Never once did I say that Breyton was a quality wheel. It's like how Burberry has their watches manufactured by fossil and sold for five times their counterpart. But dont go around saying that Miro isnt a replica wheel company.

Eh don't waste your breath trying to convince him of the truth. Next thing you know, he'll say Miro originated the BBS LM design and the two wheels just look similar to the "uneducated".

 

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replica - "an exact reproduction"

Please show me one ******* wheel that the miro 111 is a replica of.

It's lighter more concave and has completely different spoke design.

It's not like they made a mold from a breyton gts and just resold them as their own. The wheel is based off one of the most common european spoke designs in history. The Y spoke. Go on tire rack and select BMW m5 and click wheels. Please tell me how many ******* Y spoke rims u find that look similar but aren't the exactly the same. Are these all replicas too?

You're ignoring the most hilariously obvious fact here. Miro makes 100% replicas if you go to their site or if you look at any of their discontinued wheels. Why would they make only 1 original wheel style, and then make replicas for all their other designs? Original wheel designers typically have more than one design :haha:. You were already wrong that the the Miro "style 942" is a replica of the BMW OEM style 313 - you seem to be ignoring this fact. Miro's type 368 is a replica of the BBS LM-R, the type 380 is a replica of the BBS LM, etc etc

Quit arguing over semantics - ie the literal dictionary definition of the word "replica" versus the reality of what a "replica" is in the real world. Miro is a replica manufacturer. Period. End of story. Ask Miro directly and ask any other forum, and they'll tell you something to that effect - Miro will typically say Breyton "Style" or BBS LM "Style" because the word "replica" has litigious consequences if used in for sale ads.

As I've said multiple times already, a legitimate replica in the wheel world typically has slight differences in design so they don't get in trouble with BMW, BBS, Breyton, etc for doing straight reproductions. M-parallels replicas are not finished in the same way as the real thing, CSL replicas have slightly different thicknesses of spokes and concavity, and so on and so forth. They legally can't do an exact reproduction, but the Miro 111 is a close enough ringer to the Breyton GTS at a much more attractive price point that people don't care.

 

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these all must be breyton replicas too in your mind... ya know... with slight changes for copyright/trademark/patent reasons

Every one of those wheels were designed in house by each individual company. Just because they look the same doesn't mean they are replicas. Because to be a replica... you must be EXACT. You claim miro changed the design of JUST the miro 111 to avoid legal issues when they sell TONS of EXACT replicas on the SAME MARKET. If miro wanted to make a replica of the breyton they would MAKE IT EXACTLY as it it. Your point makes no sense, because they sell tons of 100% replica wheels and don't get in any legal trouble for it.

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Sigh, if you think this Miro replica of a BBS LM looks like the real thing, than I can't help ya.

Having owned both the real thing and a replica - the replicas always have differences, sometimes minor and sometimes major. Same with CSL replicas and M-Parallel replicas.

And most of the wheels you just posted are replicas of the BBS CH and CH-R. If you think the CH and CH-R look like the Breyton and the Miro 111 aside from number of spokes, you're clearly wrong. Also you post up ASA's licensed repro of the BBS CH, and Avarus which is another not very well known replica maker. None of these wheels support your point - to the contrary they negate it.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. You for some reason think that Miro, a company primarily known as an inexpensive replica maker, only manufacturers one original wheel, with every other wheel it produces being a replica. That makes a ton of sense.

 

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To they say the truth miro does sell replica wheels but the miro 111 i think is not a replica wheel, i haven't seen the same wheel as the 111's style that are made by any other original company out here.

Again, we'll have to just agree to disagree. I'm obviously not going to sway your opinions from the fact that it is a replica or "breyton CH style" wheel.

 

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We all know how the industry works, everyone makes small changes to get past the law suits but the Miros which at one time I was going to purchase looked too much like the Breytons so I decided to go a different route plus I wanted something unique and not a copy of another brand. I guess for someone who does not want to spend upwards of 5k it is best to get something cheaper yet similar looking.

Unfortunately not everyone understands this haha, but I digress

 

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I see that those who support the claim that Miros are original are those that have them :tonquesmilie:.....just sayin.......

I mean no harm to anyone that has them as they are fine wheels in general.

Yeah, I have no problems with replicas either - have owned quite a few sets of CSLs, BBS LMs, M-parallels, HRE and Hamann replicas from Miro, Varrstoen, Velocity Motoring and various no-names. Never had the catastrophic failures that some have experienced (knock on wood).

 

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sweet jesus. Is this thread still going?