I am looking into getting a dry weather street/track tire, and have seen the Yokohama AVS Sport come up as the best way to go. What do you guys think?
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Hey Pong, I hope that the Miata is serving you well. The following seem to be the best road/track tires:
- BF Goodrich G-Force KD (I heard that KD stands for "Killer Dry" - seriously).
- Yokohama AVS Sport.
- Yokohama 032R.
Now I need to just figure out which work best with the Dinan Light Weight wheels. I would love to get the BFGs, as I have heard that they are the best track-like tire available for legal road use.
Thanks for offering to drive your Miata. I might decide to take you up on that offer to test the tires.
Cheers.
- BF Goodrich G-Force KD (I heard that KD stands for "Killer Dry" - seriously).
- Yokohama AVS Sport.
- Yokohama 032R.
Now I need to just figure out which work best with the Dinan Light Weight wheels. I would love to get the BFGs, as I have heard that they are the best track-like tire available for legal road use.
Thanks for offering to drive your Miata. I might decide to take you up on that offer to test the tires.
Cheers.
I don't think the the KD's are available in our 275 size. At least I haven't been able to find them.
The Yokohama 032R's are a DOT race tire. Some drive them on the street, but they are VERY noisy.
The S03's and Pilots seem to be very close. I would pick the Pilots to be better in the dry.
The AVS Sport is also a fine tire and comparable to the others.
The Yokohama 032R's are a DOT race tire. Some drive them on the street, but they are VERY noisy.
The S03's and Pilots seem to be very close. I would pick the Pilots to be better in the dry.
The AVS Sport is also a fine tire and comparable to the others.
IMO the Yokos are awesome tires in the dry. I wouldn't recommend them on an M5. The compund is abit too soft for the 2 ton beast. Great traction but would not wear very good on a heavy sedan. If your lucky you may get 6K miles out of them. From my experience they are on the quiet side, loud would be Pirelli Assymetricos you need ear plugs on long road trips!:cheers:
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Thanks guys for your opinions. Just to reiterate. I am making the beast into a semi-track car.
I don't care about tire noise, tire treadlife (5K miles is great treadlife). I would seriously use the track R compound tires on the street, but they will pick up rocks and other road debris too easily. If I can't find what I want, I will put track tires on the beast and drive on the street.
BTW, now for some ranting. The Yokohama AVS Sport's are the OEM tires on the new Aston Martin Vanquish, so with all due repect for all the board members that are blindly sold on Michelin Pilots and their Bridgestone equivalents, please give me a break. Those tires are not the best "DRY-weather super handling tires". How about the following
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I don't care about tire noise, tire treadlife (5K miles is great treadlife). I would seriously use the track R compound tires on the street, but they will pick up rocks and other road debris too easily. If I can't find what I want, I will put track tires on the beast and drive on the street.
BTW, now for some ranting. The Yokohama AVS Sport's are the OEM tires on the new Aston Martin Vanquish, so with all due repect for all the board members that are blindly sold on Michelin Pilots and their Bridgestone equivalents, please give me a break. Those tires are not the best "DRY-weather super handling tires". How about the following
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MIB, congrats on the free Dinan goods! I have the following tires on my Dinan Lightweights:
- 275/35ZR18 (front)
- 285/35ZR18 (rear)
This is the wider of the 2 settings offered for the Dinan wheels. My fenders are rolled, and beast sits about 1" lower on the KW coilovers, and I have absolutely no rubbing. The Michelins good, but I would choose a better dry-handling tire such as the Yokohama AVS Sport (I will post what I end up choosing), but this seems to be the only top-of-the-line option available in the tire sizes that I need.
Cheers.
- 275/35ZR18 (front)
- 285/35ZR18 (rear)
This is the wider of the 2 settings offered for the Dinan wheels. My fenders are rolled, and beast sits about 1" lower on the KW coilovers, and I have absolutely no rubbing. The Michelins good, but I would choose a better dry-handling tire such as the Yokohama AVS Sport (I will post what I end up choosing), but this seems to be the only top-of-the-line option available in the tire sizes that I need.
Cheers.
The Yokohama's are awesome tires. I have used them on a number of sports cars. They are VERY quiet and they wear well under a heavy foot. The only slight downfall to these tires is that the sidewall is not quite as stiff as the Michelin's or BFG's so you are going to give up a little cornering performance. Please let us know how they are if you get them.
DD...here is my findings..
Once again Im going to say it...im grandpa jones here when it comes to buying something for my baby. I research it till im about blue and I leave no other option unturned.
The yokos are good for track (as they wear more evenly and consitently) than other tires. The S03 and Pilot are going to give a better feel, although i think the pilots might be the best feel. So3's wear quite quickly especially when tracked, although you seems to be lighter than many of our m5's so they might wear even better.
The yoko sports are actually a couple of years old and are starting to show their age against the new tires on the market. There are still opinions out there that they are the best, and I would believe a good amount of the praise that i hear about them.
They are quiet for a max performance and have even wear. I think if you are going to track the car you made a good decision at looking into them. They dont have the wet capability of an S03 but they have the same prowess as a pilot in the wet. The S03 is just packed with to much water fighting design and tech. The new yoko AVS ES100 are actually the new generation of the AVS Sport until Yoko comes out with a replacement; although they still offer the Sports.
I have decided that Im going to go with the S03's because of the H20 situation here in FL but i found that Toyo Proxes T1-S's are amazing and seem to work really well. They are normally thought of on lighter cars but they will work, and work well. One Z8 owner has them and loves them. To bad tire rack doesnt sell toyo else you could just look up the info on them there. Best of luck in the decision making process.
Once again Im going to say it...im grandpa jones here when it comes to buying something for my baby. I research it till im about blue and I leave no other option unturned.
The yokos are good for track (as they wear more evenly and consitently) than other tires. The S03 and Pilot are going to give a better feel, although i think the pilots might be the best feel. So3's wear quite quickly especially when tracked, although you seems to be lighter than many of our m5's so they might wear even better.
The yoko sports are actually a couple of years old and are starting to show their age against the new tires on the market. There are still opinions out there that they are the best, and I would believe a good amount of the praise that i hear about them.
They are quiet for a max performance and have even wear. I think if you are going to track the car you made a good decision at looking into them. They dont have the wet capability of an S03 but they have the same prowess as a pilot in the wet. The S03 is just packed with to much water fighting design and tech. The new yoko AVS ES100 are actually the new generation of the AVS Sport until Yoko comes out with a replacement; although they still offer the Sports.
I have decided that Im going to go with the S03's because of the H20 situation here in FL but i found that Toyo Proxes T1-S's are amazing and seem to work really well. They are normally thought of on lighter cars but they will work, and work well. One Z8 owner has them and loves them. To bad tire rack doesnt sell toyo else you could just look up the info on them there. Best of luck in the decision making process.
If you want to make it into a semi-track car, you absolutely should use R Compund Tires such as the 032R, I didn't know they exist in our sizes though. However, there is a new tire from Yokohama, 048R, that is available in proper size.
Other R Compund tires to consider are Bridgestone RE540S, Pirelli P Zero Corsa and Michelin Pilot Cup. The Brídgestone are supposed to be the best but I'm uncertain about sizes for the M5.
Both PZero Corsa and Pilot Cup are available in our size and they both beat the new Yokoham 048R in a test, Pilot Cup being the winner of that test.
Even with the slowest R Compound tire you would be at least 1-2 s faster on short tracks and more on longer tracks than with AVS Sport. Also the R Compund tires stand the track drive wear a lot better than street tires so it will be cheaper in the long run.
Most of the R Compund tires works decent in rain with the exception of water planning.
Other R Compund tires to consider are Bridgestone RE540S, Pirelli P Zero Corsa and Michelin Pilot Cup. The Brídgestone are supposed to be the best but I'm uncertain about sizes for the M5.
Both PZero Corsa and Pilot Cup are available in our size and they both beat the new Yokoham 048R in a test, Pilot Cup being the winner of that test.
Even with the slowest R Compound tire you would be at least 1-2 s faster on short tracks and more on longer tracks than with AVS Sport. Also the R Compund tires stand the track drive wear a lot better than street tires so it will be cheaper in the long run.
Most of the R Compund tires works decent in rain with the exception of water planning.
Yokohama has just come out with a new line of AVS tires that will fit our car at a substatial discount to the Pilots. Discount Tires and Tire Rack carry the AVS ES100. They were $185 for the rears. I have had them on the rear when I replaced the Dunlops at 20k miles for about 2000 miles now.
My impression is they are stickier than the Dunlops and match exactly to the Pilots. I had the Pilots on my MY00. The cornering is equal to the Pilots, but they are less noisy than the Dunlops. As far as wear goes, Discount Tires claims thay will wear longer than the Pilots because of the new compund they are using.
So far so good and for the price, you cannot beat it.
My $.02,
Mark
My impression is they are stickier than the Dunlops and match exactly to the Pilots. I had the Pilots on my MY00. The cornering is equal to the Pilots, but they are less noisy than the Dunlops. As far as wear goes, Discount Tires claims thay will wear longer than the Pilots because of the new compund they are using.
So far so good and for the price, you cannot beat it.
My $.02,
Mark
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Thanks everyone for the great information! Now it seems that I need to figure out which is best (and has the 275 and 285 sizes that I need) out of the following:
- Yokohama AVS Sport
- Yokohama 048R
- Bridgestone RE540S
- Pirelli P-Zero Corsa
- Michelin Pilot Cup
I will post when I have done more research.
Cheers.
- Yokohama AVS Sport
- Yokohama 048R
- Bridgestone RE540S
- Pirelli P-Zero Corsa
- Michelin Pilot Cup
I will post when I have done more research.
Cheers.
DDM5,
I'm right with you in the research cycle. Based on the reading, research, pricing, etc, I'm coming out as follows, for my needs, which are:
- no track time
- good wet weather performance
- less noise
- softer sidewall is ok (I drive crappy country roads alot)
- higher wear rating
- cost effective
My ranking goes like this, but I'll be watching to see where you come out.
1. Yokohama AVS Sport or ES100
2. Kumho's
3. Pilots (current tires with 37k on them)
4. SO3's
Given how hard I drive, I'm leaning towards cost on the cost/performance curve, which may be a rationalization, but hell with it.
One unexplored area is evenness of tire wear. My front Pilots are pretty worn on the outside edge, and this was by the original owner who was pretty easy on them. I'm hoping my softer sidewall compromise doesnt make this more of an issue. Any thoughts on this topic?
allan
I'm right with you in the research cycle. Based on the reading, research, pricing, etc, I'm coming out as follows, for my needs, which are:
- no track time
- good wet weather performance
- less noise
- softer sidewall is ok (I drive crappy country roads alot)
- higher wear rating
- cost effective
My ranking goes like this, but I'll be watching to see where you come out.
1. Yokohama AVS Sport or ES100
2. Kumho's
3. Pilots (current tires with 37k on them)
4. SO3's
Given how hard I drive, I'm leaning towards cost on the cost/performance curve, which may be a rationalization, but hell with it.
One unexplored area is evenness of tire wear. My front Pilots are pretty worn on the outside edge, and this was by the original owner who was pretty easy on them. I'm hoping my softer sidewall compromise doesnt make this more of an issue. Any thoughts on this topic?
allan
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I just ordered a set of Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tires. I decided that I wanted a tire that will serve me well on both the track and the road. Your set of needs is almost 180 degrees from my requirements. My opinion is that you should stick with the Michelin Pilot Sports. They are probably the best all-round tire out there. The Yokohama ACS Sport tires are a little more aggressive in dry conditions, but sacrifice some wet weather handling prowess.
Michelin just seems to make really good tires.
Cheers.
Michelin just seems to make really good tires.
Cheers.
Agree.
Have always had the best of luck with Michelins on a wide variety of cars. Newbee brands like the Komho's concern me from a quality standpoint, based on prior experiences.
Decision point in the next week or so. Next comes the 'ol "who do I trust to mount" topic.
I'm in Morgan Hill alot, I wonder if Dinan will do it for me, even if I got them elsewhere... bet they will want the (higher) margin on the tire sale to do it.
Where did you get the Pirellis?
allan
Have always had the best of luck with Michelins on a wide variety of cars. Newbee brands like the Komho's concern me from a quality standpoint, based on prior experiences.
Decision point in the next week or so. Next comes the 'ol "who do I trust to mount" topic.
I'm in Morgan Hill alot, I wonder if Dinan will do it for me, even if I got them elsewhere... bet they will want the (higher) margin on the tire sale to do it.
Where did you get the Pirellis?
allan
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I got the Pirelli's though a race shop based in Oakland, but you can order them directly from tirerack.com. Yup, it pays to be extra careful when deciding wup to have mount the tires.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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