I sold my 6 speed E60 and got a DTC F10 cause it was a killer deal, 800 month lease. And I'm looking of another E60 for a supercharged built.

I love the power and the interior but the car driving wise is no where near as fun as the E60. Its big and heavy and the DTC is great in a straight line banging gears but its hard to drive around town and rip on it smoothly, It holds gears for days. So if you punch it at a stop light and let off it holds the gear for seconds, drive me insane

Over all i just am not a DTC or SMG fan, maybe i would like the F10 more if it was a 6 speed. But so far I'm not a fan of it. Sure its fast a **** but theres more to a car then speed

and you can't rev it up at all at a stop light to be annoying or for the amazing sound cause it sounds like crap

 

I've always hated autos, and am probably a fairly typical Brit in that almost every car I've owned has been a manual.

I also came into the F10 from an E39, and was gutted when I discovered that there wasn't even a manual option here. But I bought the car anyway, and to be honest I think the DCT actually makes it better.

I drive in town a lot, and don't miss the exercise my left leg used to get at all. I don't find the box jerky or the throttle response anything other than creamy smooth. A useful hint I picked up here was to put in in Sport by default - it gets rid of the annoying lag before taking up the drive and makes low speed manoeuvring much easier.

Out of town I leave it in manual and change gear myself. And I love it...

 

I have nothing more to say other than +1 in every regard (oh, except the E39 bit; never had one of those).

 

Having had the E39 (loved it) and two E60s with SMG I must agree with yellowgixxer and limeypride.
I would not trade my DCT for an F10 MT for all the tea in China. I always select M1 with all the top sport settings and shift everywhere, even in town and traffic. There is no going back, although I am curious if the E39 would feel as great today as it did 12 years ago...

 

I should have added i live out in the country in a town of 5000 people.
If was in a city i would most likely think differently

 

My opinion is the stock 6MT lacks big fun factor compared to DCT however 6MT + BMS JB4 +Meth +downpipes = 750+whp = the best option for fun driving. I might go this direction

 

That will cost you a few $$'s in replacement gearboxes. The M-DCT can handle a fair increase in power/torque, the MT i very much doubt unless you perform some extreme strengthening.

 

I just like to row my own gears... There is something organic about it.
DCT may be faster and all, but for me, 6MT please.
I've driven many DCT's to date, including Porsche, Audi etc. But at the end of the day, manual is still my pick.

My beloved E39 had to be put to rest, and am looking forward to the next gen G90 M5. I really hope BMW would come to senses and provide us with a real manual trans.

Otherwise, the Alpha Romeo Giulia looks very tempting.

 

This ^

It may be faster in DCT, but the drawback is you feel less connected, and IMO it's WAY less fun. But I know I'm in the dying minority here.

 

I've owned several E39 M5s and driven several F10 M5s, all with the DCT. I gotta say that I was surprised with the DCT, and find that it is something that I could live with. However, for me, given the choice, I'll always prefer a manual. I suggest to the OP that if you're on the fence, stick with what you know that you like. Every time I've gone with an automatic, I hate it after a few months.

The exception would be if I lived somewhere like Chicago or D.C. with that gawd-awful traffic. But then I'd just buy a Tesla, probably.

 

I too love a great MT 6 speed. I only purchased MT cars and my two favorites of all time, my e39 M5 and my NSX 6 speeds. I had the opportunity to purchase an f10 30 jahre. It was only offered in DCT. I had a bad perception before even driving it. I was very negative and was sure that I made a mistake. However, after a few spirited drives and after I learned how to use it, wow! No matter how good you are you could never keep up with the DCT. 600 HP can be put down properly. I took a Ferrari 458 in my M5 on the freeway. I walked away from him, I could not believe it. The DCT is all about the correct setting. For those who are still ney-sayers, get your M5 on the track. This is were you will become a believer in the DCT.

 

Well I couldnt find a good condition blue MT F10 M5 so I just got a DCT and I'm hoping I can adapt coming from a modded manual E39 M5....mods are on the way downpipes and JB4

 

Congrats!

I hope you learn to love it--most of us did (me included).

A few things I've learned:

• shift mode 3 isn't any faster than shift mode 2 (at least not as far as I can tell)
  • it will hold gears longer if in auto-shift mode, though
  • so for me, since I drive in manual shift mode almost all of the time, 2 makes most sense
  • 3 merely feels like the gear was engaged with more force, not more speed
• if you're in a high gear and would like to shift directly to the optimal gear for power, then put the gas pedal through the detent (the resistance click point) and then pull the down-shift lever--it'll shift to the most optimal gear directly (I'm not sure it's faster than I can do it myself but it saves me counting)
  • be careful with this one, though, because it can engage gears with such vigor that the trunk decides to come round the front and say hi

 

Congrats! Give it some time, and then report back. If you're like me, you'll never use the auto mode. Set your M1 settings to the most aggressive, but you can leave the suspension in comfort mode. That is my default set-up, but YMMV.:smile

 

Pics here;

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/f1...lletin/f10-m5-discussion/503713-new-monte-carlo-blue-f10-m5-dct-owner-here.html

 

You should first set up your M1 and M2 preferences in the settings menu. Then, every time you start the car hit the M button (1 or 2) on the steering wheel. The default settings on start-up don't let you save anything.

 

My settings are:

M1

Throttle response = Sport
Dampers = Sport
Steering = Sport
Shift control = auto / 2
Traction control = Nothing to prove mode
HUD = Normal

M2

Throttle response = Sport Plus
Dampers = Sport Plus
Steering = Sport Plus
Shift control = Manual/3
Traction control = Hero mode (But not God mode which turns MDM off as well)
HUD = M-Mode

Personally I like the (artificially) heavier steering, though I liked it in my E39 and I was a minority there too. Each to their own.

 

Yup, absolutely.


Good point on the HUD--mine is identical to yours in both cases.


It wouldn't be a stretch to replace the M2 sticker on the button in my car with "oh, it's ON!".

 

anyone kept their E39 M5 and the F10 M5 combo? I'm thinking about it instead of selling the E39! :smile

 

Yes. Though I'm cheating slightly in that my E39 is on indefinite loan to my daughter and her fiancé.

Can't imagine letting it go completely - there's just something very special about it...

 

I've still got my E39 and my E34 too! I can't bring myself to let either of them go. Neither get used over winter any more so I'm itching to drive them by the time the spring comes.

My M settings are,

M1 - throttle = Sport +
Steering = comfort
Dampers = sport
Gearbox. = manual/3
TC = MDM

M2 - throttle = sport
Steering= comfort
Dampers= sport
Gearbox= auto/2
TC = on

 

Nice! was thinking maybe tracking the E39 M5 since its already built up with mods at 470hp..or sell it we'll see

 

The F10 is the best all round car I've ever driven - no doubt about it. The earlier cars have something about them that I can't quite put my finger on though. I'm very glad I didn't sell either of them.

 

Anyone hacked the ecu to store the M1 M2 settings after restarting the car?

 

I don't follow--both M1 and M2 settings are preserved across restarts. If they're not, the car has a fault.


Perhaps you're asking for it to preserve whatever the M1 settings were as though they're defaults when you next start the car--if so, I'm telling you, it can't be done natively nor through coding trickery.


Try posting here; I'd be happy to be proved wrong:


BMW Coding and Programming - Bimmerfest - BMW Forums

 

You don't program and save these settings by holding the M1 or M2 buttons. You have to go to the "Menu" button by the gearshift, select "Settings" then find the M1 and M2 settings, chose your preferences, and that selection will be saved. Then, you can call them up with the M1 or M2 button on the steering wheel.
If that does not work you have a problem with your car.

 

I did that but when I stopped the car and started it back up the settings reverted..;

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1154782

 

Concerning the original post question about MT vs DCT:

I had a MT in my E60 M5 and now I have one in my F10 M5.

There is one thing with the F10 that is different from my E60 M5 so it's something for someone who is on the fence about it to keep in mind, and that is the rev matching. I didn't realize it had it when I bought it so it was a pleasant surprise. I consider myself pretty good at driving manual since most of my cars over the years (Z28, Z06, M3, M5) have had one and I did the SCCA Solo 2 racing for a while with them, and my previous E60 M5 had over 75K miles on the original clutch when it got rear-ended. But with the rev-matching I am having to learn not to blip the throttle because the car will do it for you, and better. With the rev matching you simply push in the clutch, let off the gas, and put the car in the gear you want, and the engine, very quickly, automatically goes to the proper RPM. And then it holds it for a second when you let the clutch out so you have time to press the throttle (this is under normal calm driving). The matching is so precise that you cannot feel the clutch being let out. When you do it manually you are never right on so you always feel some slight mechanical clunk until the engine matches the transmission, but with the auto-rev match it's exact. This is not just for the next lower gear, but which ever gear, even from 3rd or 4th to first, etc.... So that's really cool, but I wonder if there is a way to shut it off so I can keep in practice of doing it myself? The car is too new to me I haven't learned enough about it yet.

Jut thought I'd share this for someone going from an E39 or E60 manual to an F10 and thinking about a manual.

-Dave

 

I wonder if there is a way to shut it off so I can keep in practice of doing it myself? The car is too new to me I haven't learned enough about it yet.

Dave,

I believe that in sport+ it will disable the rev match. I know that's true for the F80 M3/4.

I have this "feature" on my F30 340, and although it does make for smoother shifting (it does the rev match on upshifts and downshifts) I don't like it. And I hate sport+. So my solution was to code it out. It's not simple, but it's not that terribly difficult either if you know how to use a Windows computer. If we're all lucky, there may be a story about this in an upcoming Roundel.

I learned how to heel & toe to become a better, smoother driver, and I don't really give a large poop if the computer can do it faster better and smoother. Heck, if I wanted that, I would have bought an automatic/DCT. I want to drive. Bit by bit they're taking all of that away from us. Sure, it makes for faster and safer cars, but what happens to the kid that learns to drive on an automatic with lane monitoring, rear cameras, front cameras, dynamic cruise, blind spot monitoring, automatic braking and hill holder clutch. That kid, when grown, will never be able to drive an old pickup truck, or a classic sports car. Maybe that's not such a big loss compared to the lives saved because of the technology, but as we all know, especially in German cars, that technology is not fool-proof nor does it last forever.

Gosh, I think I digressed slightly. :eek

 

I just got out of my lease on my 2014 DTC, had a baby needed a Tahoe for the family and i really hated the DTC. If it was a 6 speed car i could have justified the payment more. Ill look for another one or an M4. I need the speed!