Thank you for following up! To clear things up. Personally, I am not a mechanic, though I would like to think I am mechanically inclined. I am not the one doing this job, but basically forwarding all the info here to someone who will - a mechanic, but one that does not have much experience with the S62. The questions were asked by him and I asked them here. Of course I do not take it personally and you definitely did an amazing job documenting the process - it literally changes things night and day for us!

We have an update on the status here (to avoid reposting): http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e3...n/487569-timing-chain-guides-input-someone-who-replaced-them-4.html#post6273929 - perhaps you can comment on it?

 

No problem Oleg, glad its been taken in the right context!

You should see as the motor is dismantled how well its thought out and an actual pleasure to work on

 

I Started up the latest S62 I did the spring plates on last night, as Jamie said, little rumble on startup but quietens down nicely, im surprised how on startup before the noise was really load but with the new spring plates there is little or no noise at all (the car is a 2000 model and still has the old pressure accumulator system), on idle the dieseling sound has also quietened down quite a bit but I did do the Beisen anti rattle kit on this car as well as the vanos seals. Thanks again to Jamie for this write up and help, the owner of this car is gonna really notice a difference

 

Thinking about doing this procedure. Tahnk you very much Jamie.

I´ve Got one doubt about the writeup, maybe because of my English understanding level.

"Now we can offer up the vanos unit to the timing cover. First give the large o rings a coating of clean oil. Make sure the radial pump dimples are in the correct relation to the pegs on the inlet cam hub to pick up and then we can slide the unit on.

You may have to turn the vanos helical gear slightly to get the long straight part of the gear to engage. Once they do slide the unit up until the helical gear is just about to engage the splined hub.

Remember I said line the radial pump dimples up? Well if you’ve done it right, it should now look like this"

My doubt is, how can you find the sweet teeth?
Is necessary to rotate the spline gear until you find the best tooth like in this video?


(M3 E46)

https://youtu.be/bqv9s2J6u00

My fear is to be unable to find this point or doing it in the wrong tooth..or the procedure is just to align radial pump dimples and hub pegs and after that introduce the spline gears in the first tooth...

Thanks.

 

Ignore the S54 vanos video. Rotate both cam hubs clockwise until they are up against their stops. THAT is where you start from, and that is the key. Align the pump dimples by rotating the pump disk in the vanos unit, NOT by rotating the cam hubs. When you start to push the vanos units into the hubs, the splines may not match up. If so, you just rotate them counterclockwise with special tool for which you overpaid (if you are me) or a simple allen wrench (if you are Jamie) a tiny, tiny bit until the splines match up, then push the vanos all the way in, which will rotate the hubs counterclockwise the minimum possible amount. This maximizes the amount of vanos adjustment travel once everything is bolted up. Also, there is no "wrong tooth," at least, within reason; rather, if you skip a tooth or two, it will just limit the amount of your vanos adjustment travel.

It's really easy once you start. Good luck.

--Peter

 

Ha ha ha, cracking post Peter! Explained really well, thanks!

 

Got a couple of doubts more before attempting to do this job :-

First one is about TDC:
The first thing I have to look at is both intake and exhaust valves must be closed.

-Can a Vacuum gauge in the spark plug hole be useful to determine this position? Or you just check the cams...
Second question is related to the first one
-Pin can lock the crank at any desired position or only when Cil 1 is in firing TDC - Overlap?


Finally I am ttrying to find something for the 10NM torque in the hub screws but all the solutions seem to be very expensive...torque wrench...adapters:

+

How did you do that?

Thanks.

 

Thanks Peter...So just a little bit counter clockwise movement in the hubs ...Understood!!!

Enviado desde mi Moto G (4) mediante Tapatalk

 

The torque wrench pictured is exactly the same one i use, however the adapter pictured isn't, the adapter i use looks similar to the pic but is actually an open ended spanner as opposed to the almost ring spanner/flare spanner posted. Stahlwille make the correct open ended adapters

 

Pictures

@jamiepeers pictures returned permanently. Broke down into 3 posts.

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Firstly before we get into the DIY I’d like to say a massive thank you to a few members. Without the help of certain people on this board there would be a whole lot of work that wouldn’t be completed or even attempted by a lot of members.

Its these people that help to make this board what it is, and give power to owners to get to know their Beast a little more, whilst saving some cash, improving their car, and getting some self satisfaction from accomplishing what perhaps they never thought they could do.

Raikku, for all of his DIY’s of which some relate to this job, for his support to other members and willingness to help whenever, wherever possible/

68FB, who has tackled this job also and explained a few things along the way.

M5Daemon, who gave me a gentle nudge in the right direction when I had a couple of headscratching moments.

And anyone else who gave me the time of day to help me get this job done.

I’d also like to say quickly that this isn’t a thread designed to steal anyone’s thunder, we all know who the pioneers of jobs like this are on the board. Rather there are members like those above who are extremely busy, and can’t write down and document every single job they do for the good of the community. Hopefully, this is where I can come in to try and do my part at giving something back

Right, so the thanks are over, we’ll start at the beginning. I have a MY2000 built in February 2000, meaning not only are my vanos spring plates 12 years old, but they are also the old, thinner, inverted type. My units were not exceptionally noisy, and if anything were pretty much silent at cold start, but once the car warmed up I did get the tell tale grumble that pretty much all cars seem to have after a few years and miles.

I have always wanted to “get to know” parts of the vanos system, and also wanted to check out my cam timing, and whilst the solenoids were out, put fresh o rings on them and clean up or discard the old filters in there. What better time to spend an extra £90 and put a set of spring plates in there for good measure? Furthermore, although a few people have carried this job out, its not documented as a step by step on the board for all to see. Although the knowledge is out there, I thought it would be nice to have a dedicated thread about it.

If there are any parts of this thread that people would like changing as they feel something is missed out or not explained properly, then please let me know. Likewise if you think some steps could be skipped or are plain wrong in your eyes, I’m all ears.

So enough with the intro’s lets get to it.

First off, its plenum off, along with airboxes top and bottom.

Its also a good idea to remove your 2 thermostat hoses, and the top hose from the radiator side. Also remove your viscous fan, a reverse thread 32mm spanner, and the fan cowling and expansion tank. Be careful as youw ill lose some coolant from the expansion tank. I syringed as much out as I could to minimise this. Also be aware of the small hose running from the expansion cap to the small plastic elbow on the top of the rad. Don’t snap it off!!! Store this all out of your way, you don’t want clutter


Then, remove your small coil pack covers and remove the coils and associated wiring. Make a note of any earth wire locations etc

Next, remove the valve covers and store them safely, take car with the gaskets on them, remove the plugs

Now remove the 4 oil lines that cover the cams, 5 bolts on each. DO NOT MIX THESE UP

Now, rotate the engine on the crank pulley, 32mm socket, around to TDC firing position cylinder 1. Both intake and exhaust valves are closed at this point, and lock the engine with an 8.5mm drill with tape wrapped around it as shown in Raikku’s cam timing thread. I had made a locking pin in work, so I used this instead

TIS says we need to put the cams into initial position next, and in absence of the special compressed air tool that the dealers have, we can release the pressure in the system by removing the solenoids. All the better as I had planned to renew the o rings on these anyways.

Now you can use a machined 27mm open ended spanner on the cast hex portion of the cams and move them to initial position.

Once the cams are in the initial position, you will feel them come to a hard stop, as the vanos piston/helical gear comes to the end of its travel outwards from the cam. If you don’t feel this hard stop you can move the cam backwards and forwards until you hear it. In its initial position you should be somewhere like this. Note the position of the helical gear, just protruding from the helical hub. (take no notice that the vanos unit is unbolted, I have no picture of the helical gears in initial position with the vanos still bolted up)

If you’re not sure, you can remove the piston cover and check to see if the piston is all the way back, it should be about 2mm from flush with the end of the bore.

Also, assuming you r cam timing isn’t off, you should also see the cam timing marks align with the cut out in the cast as shown

Now remove the crank locking pin and crank the engine over 1 revolution to overlap TDC and insert your crank pin again.

Now, slacken the 3 visible hub retaining bolts on each of the cams

Remove the crank locking pin and crank the engine over 1 revolution to firing position TDC and insert your crank pin again.

Now slacken the remaining 3 visible bolts on each of the cams.

IMPORTANT: I noticed that on the above step, I could only access 2 of the bolts, not 3 on the exhaust cam when the engine was at TDC. Perhaps it was the casting of my components, who knows, but it happened to me. I had to just be aware and be a little cute in making sure the inaccessible bolt was already pre-undone by the time I cranked to TDC firing position in order to have all 6 bolts slack. If this happens to you, you’ll have to pre slacken that bolt first as you are cranking the engine around and it becomes accessible.

Also, make sure you slacken those bolts right off, as if you only do it a turn or so, when you slacken the opposite 3 off, the first 3 will bite up again and cause you a little trouble you could do without.

Now put in your 8mm drill bit or bolt and lock the cams. You may have to wiggle the cams a little using your 27mm spanner, but they should drop in, right where your timing marks line up

Now, undo your vanos unit mounting bolts, and pry the unit out. There are 2 indents one left and one right on the unit.

Now here’s where TIS is a little confusing. It says here, you should be able to just pull the unit off. However, with the cams locked, the helical gears won’t spit out of the helical hub. At the time I didn’t know this, and so I ended up unscrewing the vanos pistons from the helical gears to remove the unit, using a 7mm and 10mm spanner. These threads are left hand/CCW threads.

You can see from the next picture that this meant I could extract the unit. However, to get the helical gears out, or to remove it all as one unit complete with the helical gears, you should remove your cam locking pins, and whilst pulling on the unit, move your cam back and forth a little using your 27mm spanner, and the gears will spit right out, whilst still attached to the vanos unit.

Also remove your filter unit carefully using pliers wrapped in a rag or such ( filter removed in the above photo, the hole in the centre of the 2 large cam “holes” is where it lives

Next, remove your main chain tensioner piston. It lives screwed through the top timing cover, and pushes against the long deflection rail you can see in the next couple of pics, to give you an exact idea of its location. It’s a 20 or 21mm socket that fits over it and it screws right out.

Remove your Vanos pressure accumulator to have better access at getting your Secondary air system piping out of the way. Its 2 10mm hex head bolts

And it lives here

Not sure if all M5’s are the same for this as there were a number of changes to the accumulator system throughout production, but if its there, remove it for access

Remove your Secondary air system pipe and the flexi “vacuum hose” from the check valve. Its one bolt into each of the top timing covers, one either side. You can swing it out of your way then to get at all of the timing cover bolts

To remove the top timing cover, its 11 bolts, 5 around the base of the cover screwing vertically down into the lower cover, and 6 screwing horizontally into the cylinder head. There is one particular bolts that’s a total pain to see and undo, its one that screws vertically down and is located right in the corner near the A/C pump. You need patience and a good 10mm ring spanner to undo it 1 flat at a time

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jaimepeers thread continued 2/3.
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With the top cover off you’ll be greeted with this site, notice I have now been able to remove my helical gears since I unlocked my cams and “spat” the gears out. Once I did this I re locked the cams with my M8 bolts

You can see here the deflection guide I am on about on the left of the chain that is pushed against the chain by the tensioning piston

Now you can finally get to what we want to replace, the spacer rings. Remove the 6 bolts on each of the hubs on the cams. Note the orientation of the plates and particularly the 2 radial pump drive dogs on the inlet cam so you can install them in roughly the same position

This is what you’ll remove top to bottom.

Note how the cup washer, 3^rd down in the top pic, is concave as you look at it. When you put the new style (post 09/01) cup washer and plate in, this will be the opposite way around, so the small diameter of the washer presses against the hub above it on assembly. Therefore it will look convex as you lay it out as above.

Clean off the ring and hub assembly, smear some engine oil on your hub and new spring set, then install the new vanos spring cup washer into the hub so that the small diameter of the washer is in contact with the hub. Now fit the supporting ring making sure it sits in its small cutouts, it only fits in one way, you’ll see when you do it.

Clean everything up and reinstall using new 10.9 rated bolts, in the correct orientation, the new parts, up to just finger tight

Now do the same for the other cam

Now’s a good time to clean up your vanos units. Mine was crusty with gunk, a real shame, and so an attack with rags and brake cleaner sorted it out, from this

To this

Replace the 2 o rings on the face of the unit and use a little oil/grease to hold them in if they want to wiggle out. Push the pistons all the way in. You can see here the exhaust piston in, and the inlet piston out.

In reality this probably doesn’t matter so much as its likely the pistons will push all the way back to their initial positions anyway on reinstallation, but it pays to be methodical.

Now, reinstall your top timing cover.

PLEASE NOTE: you MUST have the bolt in the front bottom right of the cover that screws into the head horizontally already in the hole, or you can’t fit it afterwards

Clean all remnants of old gasket from the faces to be sealed. Be aware of the gaskets. Replace them and also you need a small amount of gasket sealer in the bottom corners where the top and bottom timing covers meet the head, you can see the cutout in the corner here. I know it’s the opposite bank, but I forgot to take a picture on the first bank, this gives you an idea. Personally I like to use s mall smear of the paste all along the sealing face to make sure I have a nice oil tight engine, but its up to you.

You’ll have to manipulate the timing tensioner rail to get the cover on. You can do this by inserting a screwdriver between the 2 cam hubs and moving it in the direction it would be pushed by the tensioner. Perhaps have a little play first before settling all of your gaskets etc

Reinstall your filter unit, give it a nice push so its home

Before we reinstall the vanos unit, we have to turn both of our splined hubs all the way clockwise on their adjustment slots, so that when we install the vanos the splined gears will rotate them back anticlockwise as we push the unit home.

I’ve just shown here in a picture for illustration what I mean.

You can see here the hub has been rotated clockwise up until the bolt reaches the end of its slot and cannot travel further. Do this for both hubs


Now we can offer up the vanos unit to the timing cover. First give the large o rings a coating of clean oil. Make sure the radial pump dimples are in the correct relation to the pegs on the inlet cam hub to pick up and then we can slide the unit on.

You may have to turn the vanos helical gear slightly to get the long straight part of the gear to engage. Once they do slide the unit up until the helical gear is just about to engage the splined hub.

Remember I said line the radial pump dimples up? Well if you’ve done it right, it should now look like this

At this point the helical gears may not want to mesh into the hub as they are ever so slightly out of line. If this is the case, we need to rotate the splined hub counter clockwise until it engages. Please note that you are only going to be a fraction of a tooth out, and it must engage in the first possible point it can. Don’t be tempted to think you can turn it a few teeth, this is wrong.

BMW have a special tool for this surprise surprise, but I found it simple enough with a 3mm Allen Key

If you apply gentle pressure to try and push the vanos unit on, whilst moving the splined hub gently counter clockwise you should feel it start to engage

Now do the same for the inlet cam

Once they are both in line and have just started to engage we can then push the vanos unit on until the 2 large O rings are just touching the timing cover, not all of the way home yet.

Now, run 2 of the vanos mounting bolts up finger tight, just to keep the unit there, not to push it home

Now, tighten the 3 visible hub screws on each cam to 10Nm, then slacken them off again about ¼ to ½ a turn.

Now install all of the vanos mounting bolts and tighten them down in ½ turn increments to make sure the unit is pulled in square.

Now reinstall your chain tensioner.

Take out your Crank locking pin and rotate the engine AGAINST its direction of travel until you feel a noticeable resistance. Now rotate the engine back to TDC and insert your crank locking pin.

This is simply to compensate for play in the vanos and means that now you can set the timing correctly, kind of like how you would make sure the slack of your riming chain was on one side of the engine when timing up an old car.


Now, retighten the 3 bolts on each splined hub. Remove your crank pin and your cam locking pins/bolts and rotate the engine 1 full revolution to overlap TDC, and re insert your crank pin.

Now tighten up your remaining 3 bolts on each hub.

Again remove the pin and rotate the engine 1 full turn to firing TDC. Re insert your crank pin.

Now, using your 27mm spanner, move the cams to their initial positions again as described above and check your timing marks. You should be spot on

* IF your timing is out rather than explain the process here, I’ll write an addendum at the end of the post to resolve this, see this step before going any further


Now, bank 1 is complete, its onto bank 2. I won’t go into masses of detail here, as essentially it’s the same job again, albeit ever so slightly different as you don’t have the main chain tensioner to worry about.

Stick with me though, as there may be a few tips or differences that help you with reassembling everything not applicable to bank 1


So, crank locked at TDC, cams in initial position, my timing looked slightly off from factory here. Not unusual from what I have heard from Raikku

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jaimepeers thread continued 3/3.
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Rotate engine to overlap TDC, slacken 6 visible bolts, crank back to firing TDC and lock crank, slacken 6 remaining bolts and rotate cams to correct position, insert cam pins

Undo vanos mounting bolts and pull vanos out. When the unit stops, remove your cam pins and the pull the unit off complete this time, whist rotating your cams with the 27mm spanner. Voila!!! The units come out complete this time. Relock your cams in the correct position.

Remove your filter carefullY

Now remove the timing cover. Note there are 12 bolts, not 11 on this bank, one more screwing in from the front of the cover on the right hand side, so don’t try and lever it off after removing 11 bolts!!

Remember the really awkward bolt on bank 1?? Well, the mirrored bolt on this side is a little awkward too, but nowhere near as bad as bank 1. Patience is the key

Now remove your splined hubs and replace the vanos spring assemblies. Remember the correct orientation of the spring washer!!

Gaskets on and a smear of gasket paste for me before reinstalling the timing cover.

Timing cover on. I noticed I could manoeuvre the cover into position easier if I removed the accumulator bracket first

And then reinstall

Rotate hubs all the way clockwise

Remount the accumulator and Secondary air pump pipe and check valve, so you aren’t struggling under the vanos unit when its reinstalled

Clean a very cruddy vanos unit

Reinstall the unit as per above, and align radial pump, and helical gears

Tighten and then loosen the 3 visible hub bolts

Then install the vanos all the way home

Take out the play in the vanos as per above by removing crank and cam pins, rotating the engine backwards against direction of travel until resistance is felt, then back again to TDC

All locks back in and tighten the 3 visible bolts per hub

Locks out, crank to overlap, tighten the remaining 3 bolts per hub, rotate back to firing TDC and reinsert crank pin

Check your timing

All done

Refit your valve covers and all ancillaries.

I also renewed my Vanos o rings at the same time but there are other write ups about that so I shall leave that there

Once started my vanos made an initial rattle for a few seconds coupled with a lumpy idle, however this quietened down after say 5 seconds and the idle smoothed right out.

Presumably, this was because the cams were in the among position for startup, coupled with air in the vanos.

Anyway, fire away with questions and comments, I hope this guide will be of some use to you guys






*If for some reason your timing is still slightly out, you’ll have to make sure the cams are in the initial position. Remove your crank and cam pins and rotate engine to overlap TDC, slacken the 3 hub bolts on each hub.
Rotate the engine back to firing TDC and insert the crank pin. Undo the remaining 3 bolts per hub and using the 27mm spanner, rotate the cams until your groove and marks on the cams and bearing caps are aligned and slip your cam locking pins/bolts in.
Now retighten the 3 visible bolts per hub. Remove crank and cam pins and rotate to overlap TDC. Tighten the 3 remaining hub bolts and rotate back to firing TDC. Check the timing again as above with the cams in the initial position, the grooves should now be aligned.

- jaimepeers

 

Thanks for updating these pictures!!!