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post #201 of 284 Old 25th June 2015, 02:07 PM
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Speaking of e60, keep getting an itch to buy one, but then I get Chuck to remind me why I shouldn't, lol. The '08 space gray 6sp with 50k and a warranty is tempting. Guess I'll just keep driving the '02 and see if I can get to 200k without any major engine work.
The 6MT E60s are very rare, so if you want one (and in still decent condition at a reasonable price), I'd buy one soon. They only imported a total of 1358 E60 M5s with a 6MT across model years 2007-2010. A 2010 6MT is *extremely* rare as very few 2010s overall were imported, I think the total was in the 2xx range for SMG + 6MT cars. If you ever want one, now is the time to jump. The S85 is an insane engine, but as you know in daily use has a poor torque curve below 5500rpms and just drinks (wastes) lots of fuel. Coupled with the smallish tank, and you're doing station visits often if you daily commute in traffic with one.

Here is the best example in the country (which means world since 6MT = North America only) with only 11k miles, and a great warranty with many years left on it. If I was in the E60 market, I'd definitely jump all over this car; perhaps negotiate a bit given the cosmetic scratches that need repair, etc (too bad it's not Interlagos Blue though). The 2010 has all the latest updates for the S85, and this super low mileage means no rod bearing wear issues for ages. I think the actual number of 2010 6MT cars is less than 50 imported.

So maybe a super sweet 2010 6MT with a long warranty runs you 50k -- there is another E60 option to consider. Find a 2010 535i 6MT with sport package and low miles. Allocate a few $k for intake, downpipes, exhaust and tune (knocking on the door of 500ft-lbs) and another $2.5k for a build LSD. This car would come close to doubling the gas mileage in commuting of the M5 and likely be a good bit quicker off the line and especially from any rpm (as opposed to needing that S85 to be above 6krpms).

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I'm in. What time? I thought you had plans on Saturday?
I didn't say I was going, only asked if you guys were. But I still might, only if my daughter wants to join. I haven't seen her much on weekends lately due to funky schedules.

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I didn't say I was going, only asked if you guys were. But I still might, only if my daughter wants to join. I haven't seen her much on weekends lately due to funky schedules.

Which is her favorite ride, the 540iT or the M5?

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Which is her favorite ride, the 540iT or the M5?
M5 so far but the 540 is catching up.

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Here is the best example in the country (which means world since 6MT = North America only) with only 11k miles, and a great warranty with many years left on it. If I was in the E60 market, I'd definitely jump all over this car; perhaps negotiate a bit given the cosmetic scratches that need repair, etc (too bad it's not Interlagos Blue though). The 2010 has all the latest updates for the S85, and this super low mileage means no rod bearing wear issues for ages. I think the actual number of 2010 6MT cars is less than 50 imported.
Clicked on that link several times previously. It's a super nice car, but can't justify $20k difference in price for about 35k miles less than the '08 currently for sale, configured the same and comes with aftermarket wheels, exhaust, etc.... The '08 is in NC and has a warranty to Feb 2017. Like I said, very tempting. You're supposed to do a better job talking me out of it, lol! If it was IB, it would be in my driveway!
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Clicked on that link several times previously. It's a super nice car, but can't justify $20k difference in price for about 35k miles less than the '08 currently for sale, configured the same and comes with aftermarket wheels, exhaust, etc.... The '08 is in NC and has a warranty to Feb 2017. Like I said, very tempting. You're supposed to do a better job talking me out of it, lol! If it was IB, it would be in my driveway!
Well, one reason is getting the latest S85 updates not to mention updated iDrive/electronics, etc. Remember the 2008 model year lasted from March 2007 through July 2008, so that's the reason there are a bunch of them. You really want an S85 built from March 2008 onward...here's the accounting of the updates on the S85. What you'll find you really want though is a stroker S85, but that realization won't truly come until the day after you buy one.

Oh, and since you'll want a bit stiffer roll stiffness (and you'll not like the RD Sport bars that are snapping on numerous members' E60s), I did a bit of work on that solution in this post.

Also, if you want a bit of input to stray from these E60 thoughts, I had a discussion with a high placed person in BMW about the rod bearing wear issues on the S85 (i.e. once you get to ~75k or so, you better replace them -- see many threads on the board), and his comment was hemming and hawing a bit and then said "you should probably worry about stuck injectors at lot more." I was just reminded of his comment, when I read this post just now.

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The 6MT E60s are very rare, so if you want one (and in still decent condition at a reasonable price), I'd buy one soon. They only imported a total of 1358 E60 M5s with a 6MT across model years 2007-2010. A 2010 6MT is *extremely* rare as very few 2010s overall were imported, I think the total was in the 2xx range for SMG + 6MT cars. If you ever want one, now is the time to jump. The S85 is an insane engine, but as you know in daily use has a poor torque curve below 5500rpms and just drinks (wastes) lots of fuel. Coupled with the smallish tank, and you're doing station visits often if you daily commute in traffic with one.

Here is the best example in the country (which means world since 6MT = North America only) with only 11k miles, and a great warranty with many years left on it. If I was in the E60 market, I'd definitely jump all over this car; perhaps negotiate a bit given the cosmetic scratches that need repair, etc (too bad it's not Interlagos Blue though). The 2010 has all the latest updates for the S85, and this super low mileage means no rod bearing wear issues for ages. I think the actual number of 2010 6MT cars is less than 50 imported.

So maybe a super sweet 2010 6MT with a long warranty runs you 50k -- there is another E60 option to consider. Find a 2010 535i 6MT with sport package and low miles. Allocate a few $k for intake, downpipes, exhaust and tune (knocking on the door of 500ft-lbs) and another $2.5k for a build LSD. This car would come close to doubling the gas mileage in commuting of the M5 and likely be a good bit quicker off the line and especially from any rpm (as opposed to needing that S85 to be above 6krpms).

Chuck
Chuck,

What is this Interlagos Blue 6MT you speak of....

Not to derail this thread too much, but you know much of my ///m5 history and s85 6MT history. I've dodged the snapping RDSways, overheating 6MTs at the track, and rod bearings, etc...

@caspian65 Outside of normal (normal as defined by OCD ///mthusiasts) maintenance, I couldn't be happier with my s85 6MT. It took me quite awhile to find "the right" 6MT. I'm glad I pulled the trigger a few years ago. Drive the s85 like an s38, you will be happy. Drive the s85 like an s62, you will be let down.

I'm a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE golfer, but the best example I can think of -- is trying to use your 3 iron (s62), like a driver (s85). You can do it, but you'll have mixed results.

Details of my s85 are in my signature.

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