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post #41 of 83 Old 7th August 2015, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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Heel toeing is one thing I am a complete noob at and have not got the hang of yet. It was the reason we ended up ruining an engine mount which in turn burst the header tank on the radiator at the 'ring this year.




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I have tried the true "heel on the accelerator with toe on the brake" method, and it just doesn't work for me. When I moved to the "roll the side of your foot onto the accelerator" method, I got much better. Combine that with a lateral accelerator pedal extension and modification of the accelerator pedal to be at the same height as a fully depressed brake pedal and you'll be much better all of a sudden.

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Glad I'm getting caught up on this thread. All sorts of awesomeness.

I'm up for designing more mounts. Pretty soon we'll be putting the S62 in everything, like the LS!! hahaha.

Sams missing the diff to make an S2? I'm the last person that would ever want to contribute to the making of an S2, however I might be pulling my Dinan diff for a stock one once my car is together.

Making an adapter plate for the ZF to S62 shouldn't be very difficult.

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I have tried the true "heel on the accelerator with toe on the brake" method, and it just doesn't work for me. When I moved to the "roll the side of your foot onto the accelerator" method, I got much better. Combine that with a lateral accelerator pedal extension and modification of the accelerator pedal to be at the same height as a fully depressed brake pedal and you'll be much better all of a sudden.

--Peter
Agree with all of this. Even if you perfect the technique on the street, track braking is different. It took me a while to learn braking safely with the ball of my foot so I can roll on the accelerator if needed, then when I went to the track I was depressing the brake pedal all the way and the accelerator was too high to roll onto. I had to revert to the heel on the accelerator method for the day. It worked but it led to some untidy driving.
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I have tried the true "heel on the accelerator with toe on the brake" method, and it just doesn't work for me. When I moved to the "roll the side of your foot onto the accelerator" method, I got much better. Combine that with a lateral accelerator pedal extension and modification of the accelerator pedal to be at the same height as a fully depressed brake pedal and you'll be much better all of a sudden.

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Peter first off all congrats on the m3, you know who to call about doing an s62 swap, anyhow the above combo is how i have my pedals set up in my m5 makes heel toeing a breeze

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Not yet, Chuck, but it is definitely in the cards for next year. Though I DO have a 50th birthday coming up!

Interesting about Hogpen. I find that nipping the inside rumble strip as you sweep into the straight keeps you fast, on the track and leaves you at exit on the far left side of the front straight where you want to be. But I did notice my instructor in a street car on street tires having to be careful right there. I would always catch up to him right at that point and then be on his *** on the entire front straight.

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I last used iRacing about 5 years ago and thought it was fantastic. Their laser track mapping was spot on, and the simulation is outstanding. I was more able to really use it well though in an open cockpit car, the Star Mazda, since that give a better "visual feel" of yaw which it is essentially the only thing you have to communicate the car's attitude.

Anyway, one of the things I found most useful with iRacing was working on worst case situation recoveries/recovery attempts. You find out real quickly how little room there is for error/problems at some locations on various tracks like turn 5b-6 region at VIR -- don't ever get the tail too loose since the never seen Armco to the right of track there is just feet away. I did also manage, eventually, a way to survive a total brake failure at the end of the back straight.

One other thing to do in iRacing is to drive the track backwards. For most all tracks, you can't ever do that since all the safety barriers and such are not designed for such use, but it was very instructive to drive VIR backwards for me. I learned a lot about the topography of the track that I was unaware of having driven it so much in real life in the normal direction. It gave me better insight into the exit of Oaktree turn, roller coaster/hogpen, exit of turn 10/south bend, and turns 6-5-4-3.

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Congrats on the M3!

M5 is too big and heavy for this use anyways

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Congrats on the M3!

M5 is too big and heavy for this use anyways
Thanks! It is a great car!

You and I disagree about the M5. Mine is currently at about 3100 lbs. dry and getting lighter by the moment (carbon doors and fenders to come and a few other lightening techniques). There are at least two fellows building E39 M5s to campaign in GTS next year. Having driven my M3 at 2725 lbs wet, there is a weight difference no doubt, but it is nowhere near what people think and there is a huge power differential, particular at lower RPMs coming out of hairpin turns. That is where the S62 really shines. Also try some Motons or MCS struts on an M5 sometime. You'll be surprised at how docile it becomes!

All that said, I agree that the M3 has greater potential. Just needs an S62 and full Motec electronics.

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All that said, I agree that the M3 has greater potential. Just needs an S62 and full Motec electronics.

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You know Peter....an S65 is a good bit lighter (50+lbs I think) and somewhat smaller than the S62, so you could always go that route too.

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You know Peter....an S65 is a good bit lighter (50+lbs I think) and somewhat smaller than the S62, so you could always go that route too.
He could, if he was actually interested in performance

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Congratulations Peter! Looking forward to more threads on THIS toy!

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