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post #1 of 13 Old 15th August 2016, 04:57 AM Thread Starter
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Advice for my first E39 M5

Hello all, I am new to the forums here. I'm a longtime BMW owner, but just purchased my first M5. It is a 2000 with 219k miles. The previous owner replaced pretty much the whole cooling system, vanos system all rebuilt. It drives great, and the only rattle I hear is at startup for about 2 seconds. I don't have any reason to believe that there is severe damage within the engine as it pulls hard and sounds healthy overall.

With that being said, I would like to prolong the life of this engine without having it fully rebuilt just yet. I'm a little spooked about the rod bearings after reading different posts online. How they can go bad, potentially destroying the engine.

What do you seasoned M5 enthusiasts recommend that I do to get the most enjoyment possible out of the engine without a complete overhaul? Should I have the rod bearings replaced? Also, are these prone to timing chain tensioner/guide failure like the m62s? Anything else that should be done?

Your input is greatly appreciated.
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It's because you posted in the tips and tricks subforum instead of the main E39 forum. Repost it over there.
As far as rod bearings, probably not necessary. Tensioner I would do for sure.
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Ah that makes sense, thanks for the advice. For now I have decided to park it, and replace the chains/tensioners/guides, and rod bearings hopefully this winter. I would like the peace of mind so I can enjoy it next spring/summer. Shocks/struts are blown, need coil overs all around and a center track rod. Also replacing front and rear bumpers. My wallet ain't gonna like this one!
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Ah that makes sense, thanks for the advice. For now I have decided to park it, and replace the chains/tensioners/guides, and rod bearings hopefully this winter. I would like the peace of mind so I can enjoy it next spring/summer. Shocks/struts are blown, need coil overs all around and a center track rod. Also replacing front and rear bumpers. My wallet ain't gonna like this one!
I feel ya! I am going through the same thing with my M5 I recently purchased. Mine is parked and torn down. However I am really excited about getting it back on the road, it's an amazing car.

Did you hear any noises around 2,000 RPM inside the cabin?
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I highly recommend you stay away from intake systems that are positioned toward the bottom of the bumper, and swapping rod bearings is not a bad idea. The only downside is the cost associated. It really depends on how much you have invested into the M5 and how long you plan to keep it. If you plan to keep it, do not wait for unanswered questions to answer themselves in time with consequences. Make sure you know everything you need to know about the vehicle through a reliable source (Reputable shop). Good luck and enjoy your M5!
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good advice. i, too am in a similar situation, albeit with less miles (113k on my 2003). was thinking about rod bearings, however I plan on doing Blackstone Oil analysis/ses and see what it/they reveal over the next 12 months.....rather than spend the 2500ish right away on rod bearings as there is a decent chance there are no issues with them.

recommend doing oil analysis to provide a decent perspective on engine health based on analyis of metals, fuel% in oil, water % in oil, etc.
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Timing chain is pretty big job. The tensioner is recommended every 100k so definitely start with that. It may alleviate the rattle on startup. If the guide was damaged it would rattle all the time. If your blackstone comes back healthy I would start chipping away at the suspension. the money adds up very quickly based on my experience.
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Hey fellas,

I'm in a similar situation. I've found an M5 for sale and I was wondering if you could give me your opinion on whether its a good idea to purchase it or not. The car seems to be in good shape, just some wear and tear in the interior. The exterior paint is in decent condition. The engine still pulls hard, but it has a ticking sound that I'm really afraid of. I'm not sure whether its the VANOS or a spun rod bearing. I did a scan on the vehicle and a bunch of codes showed up. If you guys can take a look and see if anything you see is serious in which it wouldn't be a wise idea to purchase the vehicle. Any help would be much appreciated!!


# SCAN START
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Unit BMWTNR HW SW-FSW CI DI BI/VI Date Odometer VIN ADFG Algorithm
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DME -> 7.837.965 18 16 00 20 60 47/00 - WBSDEXXXXXXXXXXXX 870000 MSS52 S52B32/S62B50
EWS -> 6.905.670 03 08 81 81 07 48/00 310544 km WBSDEXXXXXXXXXXXX FFFFFF EWS3
ABS -> 6.755.741 54 03 10 16 3C 28/00 - - - DSC5.7
LEW -> 6.750.126 04 03 01 20 60 50/00 - XXXXXXX 008371 LWS5.1B
A/C -> 6.902.547 50 61 03 50 10 50/00 - - 018371 IHKA E39 09/2000
SRS -> 6.900.727 40 30 10 08 00 49/00 - XXXXXXX 000000 MRS3
IKE -> 7.832.635 19 15 12 09 12 11/02 310590 km XXXXXXX FFFFFF M35080 - 1 (IKI)
LCM -> 6.908.468 D1 42 18 13 00 50/00 310500 km XXXXXXX - HC11PH8 - 1 (LCM3)
ZKE -> 6.913.524 21 23 05 21 09 49/00 - - FF8371 ZKE3 GM1
MFL -> 0.000.000 01 09 00 03 78 00/00 - - - MFL2
PDC -> 6.904.010 01 13 03 01 01 50/00 - - 018371 PDC E38/E39/E46/E53
AIC -> 6.904.012 04 14 00 00 00 50/00 - - 141200 AIC
RAD -> 6.902.718 45 42 00 25 09 39/00 - - - Radio ZIS/BM/MIR
TEL -> 0.025.708 31 03 01 05 12 24/01 - - 000000 TEL2
SZM -> 2.694.073 41 F8 01 10 78 49/00 - - 000000 SZM E38
VID -> 6.911.222 04 11 02 02 11 41/00 - - FFFFFF Videomodule
NAV -> 6.915.035 11 50 04 04 09 50/00 - - 36393135303335313130343034303935303030303130333730 382E32313530 NAV MK3
VMGP -> 6.915.035 11 50 04 04 09 50/00 - XXXXXXX 008371 VM Graph-part
BMBT -> 6.913.387 42 42 00 08 FC 24/11 - - 000008 BMBT
RDC -> 2.695.675 01 10 00 70 08 33/99 - - 000000 DWS
DSP -> 6.905.119 03 04 01 02 05 49/00 - XXXXXXX - DSP2
SES -> 6.913.352 08 05 00 01 09 09.00 - - - SES
LRA -> 8.375.964 D1 05 03 01 05 50/00 - - FFFFFF LWR2A


# USER INFO FIELDS
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Unit Date VIN Odometer Assembly Software Service Dealer Tester Program ver.
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DME -> 19.12.00 WBSDEXXXXXXXXXXXX 0 km 7.832.566 7.832.567 7.830.817 012321 42324 -
06.05.08 WBSDEXXXXXXXXXXXX 153000 km 7.837.951 7.837.952 7.833.991 011111 12345 -


# ERRORS IN UNITS
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Unit BMWTNR HW SW-FSW ERRORS / SHADOW-MEMORY
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DME -> 7.837.965 18 16 4 errors / 15 errors
EWS -> 6.905.670 03 08 2 errors
ABS -> 6.755.741 54 03 2 errors
LEW -> 6.750.126 04 03 1 error
A/C -> 6.902.547 50 61 2 errors
SRS -> 6.900.727 40 30 no errors
IKE -> 7.832.635 19 15 5 errors
LCM -> 6.908.468 D1 42 no errors / 8 errors
ZKE -> 6.913.524 21 23 7 errors / 4 errors
MFL -> 0.000.000 01 09 no data
PDC -> 6.904.010 01 13 no errors
AIC -> 6.904.012 04 14 no errors
RAD -> 6.902.718 45 42 no errors
TEL -> 0.025.708 31 03 no errors
SZM -> 2.694.073 41 F8 no errors / no errors
VID -> 6.911.222 04 11 no errors / no errors
NAV -> 6.915.035 11 50 no errors / 7 errors
VMGP -> 6.915.035 11 50 no data
BMBT -> 6.913.387 42 42 4 errors
RDC -> 2.695.675 01 10 no errors
DSP -> 6.905.119 03 04 no errors
SES -> 6.913.352 08 05 no errors
LRA -> 8.375.964 D1 05 1 error / no errors


# ERRORS DETAILS - DTC(hex)/PARAM(hex)
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DME -> 8F/82 - Electronics-box fan
8D/81 - Tank fill level implausible
B5/81 - Fuel filler cap open/missing
B2/81 - Cat.-conv. conversion, bank 1
Shadow-memory:
86/00 - CAN timeout, instrument cluster
86/00 - CAN timeout, instrument cluster
86/00 - CAN timeout, instrument cluster
86/00 - CAN timeout, instrument cluster
8D/81 - Tank fill level implausible
8D/81 - Tank fill level implausible
8F/82 - Electronics-box fan
8F/82 - Electronics-box fan
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4
10/00 - Signal, crankshaft sensor
10/00 - Signal, crankshaft sensor

EWS -> 43/01 - Toleration of changing code increased, key 4
0F/2A - Power on reset

ABS -> 5A/01 - Temporary system deactivation
59/01 - Low voltage

LEW -> 0B/AB - Wrong LWS-ID

A/C -> 0A/44 - AUC sensor
1E/41 - Auxiliary water pump

IKE -> BF/C8 - Internal fault, EEPROM checksum, coding incorrect/incomplete
44/88 - Oil-pressure sensor
C7/81 - Tank sensor 1, left
90/84 - Voltage supply, terminal 15, faulty
CE/C1 - Outside-temperature sensor

LCM -> Shadow-memory:
58/02 - Engine failsafe program
60/04 - Engine oil level, thermal sensor TOG
79/05 - Right low beam light
7A/1F - Front left side light
7F/1F - Left fog light
93/02 - Right brake light
94/1F - Rear left fog light
95/1F - Rear right fog light

ZKE -> 5D/01 - Central locking mechanism defective, driver's door
AD/21 - Short circuit mirror motor vertical, passenger's door
AF/3F - Short circuit mirror motor horizontal, passenger's door
04/01 - Terminal R wire on the GM III
C7/02 - Driver's seat seat height: blocking below
C0/23 - Driver's seat longitudinal adjustment: communication error
CC/21 - Driver's seat seatback: communication error
Shadow-memory:
8B/24 - DWA-Alarm: rear window or interior security
8A/01 - DWA-Alarm: tilt alarm sensor
93/2A - Power up from the GM III
80/01 - DWA-Alarm: Terminal R

BMBT -> 16/2B - EEPROM Checksum does not match with programmed value
0B/1F - I-Bus sending error
01/0A - Watchdog reset
03/01 - PL wire, Short circuit to ground

LRA -> 04/3F - Drive left headlights


# SCAN END
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Hey Just saw this, what did you decide to do? I know it's almost 30 days since your post but thought I would reply anyway.

Keep in mind I am still learning about the M5 and I am not a professional mechanic, however this code concerns me:
45/00 - Signal, knock sensor, cyl. 3-4

I got that code when I needed new chain guides, not sure if the timing chain hitting the cover caused the code or something else did. I almost have the car back together and will see if I still get the code.
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