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post #21 of 68 Old 28th February 2014, 06:43 PM
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It only matters for bar bets, but let's all help find this sucker a long enough stretch of pavement to top it out. Put the record out of reach for a couple years!
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post #22 of 68 Old 28th February 2014, 06:47 PM
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It only matters for bar bets, but let's all help find this sucker a long enough stretch of pavement to top it out. Put the record out of reach for a couple years!
Cant be difficult to rent the same road/airfield as the Hennessey Venom?? If there is a will, theres a way!
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I hope we get to see some lap times, but I kinda doubt it. We never saw anything with the Agera R. However, maybe with their plans to bring the cars to several race tracks to GPS map them to make the cars go round faster, we'll see some lap times from various circuits.

As for top speed, its going to be difficult for them to find somewhere to do it. First they have to find a perfectly flat, at least 5mi long stretch of road with no potholes and such. Then get that stretch of road closed. Then do a run in each direction with the speed measured over a flying kilometer. And then pay for Guinesss to be there if they want to be in the record books. And since Guiness only recognizes a car as a production car if over 30 are built, the One:1 doesn't qualify anyway. But who cares about Guiness, I just want to see this thing to fast.
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Cant be difficult to rent the same road/airfield as the Hennessey Venom?? If there is a will, theres a way!
Not difficult at all, all of NASA's space shuttle runways are for rent, Audi frequently takes their Le Mans cars there for speed testing, like wise, most West Coast air force bases and the like can be rented very easily. Albeit at a $50K and up price tag per day, would be great to see the car do 280
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Not difficult at all, all of NASA's space shuttle runways are for rent, Audi frequently takes their Le Mans cars there for speed testing, like wise, most West Coast air force bases and the like can be rented very easily. Albeit at a $50K and up price tag per day, would be great to see the car do 280
But Hennessey said that it took them a few years to get the NASA approval, and only for one go! Not a return run, so the record is not acknowledged by Guinness.
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post #27 of 68 Old 28th February 2014, 09:04 PM
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I hope we get to see some lap times, but I kinda doubt it. We never saw anything with the Agera R. However, maybe with their plans to bring the cars to several race tracks to GPS map them to make the cars go round faster, we'll see some lap times from various circuits.

As for top speed, its going to be difficult for them to find somewhere to do it. First they have to find a perfectly flat, at least 5mi long stretch of road with no potholes and such. Then get that stretch of road closed. Then do a run in each direction with the speed measured over a flying kilometer. And then pay for Guinesss to be there if they want to be in the record books. And since Guiness only recognizes a car as a production car if over 30 are built, the One:1 doesn't qualify anyway. But who cares about Guiness, I just want to see this thing to fast.
Well like I said, top speed really doesn't matter, and since there's only a few places in the world to do it anyway it's kind of pointless. But it does answer the eternal gearhead question, "What'll she do?" As far as Guinness is concerned, I'm not even sure about that 30 car thing, I never even heard of it before the whole Venom GT thing. I think it's just an internet rumor. If it were remotely true then the Ultimate Aero should have never held the record, nor the CCR for that matter. They also awarded the "Fastest accelerating production (my emphasis) car" to the Venom GT, a car built by purchasing a previously titled Lotus Exige as Step One. So screw them and their silly book, there's a lot of other ways to validate a top speed claim (hello FIA), just make sure you do it in two directions.

What might be more intriguing, as you say, would be some serious attacks on the lap records at various circuits. If the active aero and all the other nerdy bits (meant as a compliment!) work as advertised, we could see some unprecedented road car times. I believe there's a 13-mile loop somewhere in Germany that many like to use as a benchmark. The Top Gear track, I'm not so sure, most of the corners are awfully slow, negating much aero advantage. Unless they could get the guys at Pagani to loan them some tires.

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Unless they could get the guys at Pagani to loan them some tires.
That would only be fair, considering that Pagani is using Koenigsegg EPA approval stickers to claim the Huayra is USA-compliant
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But Hennessey said that it took them a few years to get the NASA approval, and only for one go! Not a return run, so the record is not acknowledged by Guinness.
That's a bunch of nonsense. They rented the runway for the day, you think NASA really cares which direction they drive on it?

When the acceleration record came out I protested heavily on Teamspeed World's Fastest Production Car: 265.7 mph (427.6 km/h) in 2 Miles - Teamspeed.com, which led to an exchange of emails between myself and Mr. Hennessey. Shortly thereafter, the word "Production" was removed from all of Hennessey's references to the record on their website. It's an impressive vehicle, no doubt, but a production car it is most certainly not.

I think this business about not being able to run in two direction is a cover for their claiming a record which would not withstand the scrutiny of the definition of what a production car is, by Guinness or otherwise. Read the latest press releases of the 270mph top speed very carefully; the claim is only "world's fastest". World's fastest what? In what category? Because for certain there have been street-legal cars at the Texas Mile and other such events that have run faster.

So I certainly hope that Koenigsegg takes a crack at it, and does it the correct way, just to end all this misinformation once and for all. What would be fantastic would be to go back the same runway Hennessey used and do it there, in both directions!

Having said all of that, Mr. Hennessey was cordial to me and I think the Venom GT is a bonkers bit of kit, to borrow an Olde English phrase!
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Having said all of that, Mr. Hennessey was cordial to me and I think the Venom GT is a bonkers bit of kit, to borrow an Olde English phrase!
I don't think the Venom is "serious". I think it's marketing thing for the Hennessey brand? I'm sure they are more well known in the world after Venom. And I'm sure they sell a lot off vette and viper kits all over the world now days .. I think they achieved what they wanted .. But the car is a heavily tuned Lotus+vette engine with an extra zero on the price tag, nothing that should be mentioned together with car manufacturers (Koenigsegg, Pagani, Porsche, McLaren.. so on)..

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