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post #1 of 27 Old 19th February 2019, 04:33 AM Thread Starter
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S63 issues? Fragile POS's like S62/S65/S85??

About to sell my E60 M5 and my daily driver ML430 for an X5M. After dealing with the rod bearing hysteria surrounding the E39 M5, I sold it for the (then) trouble free S85 E60 M5. Five minutes later, the S85's became the ticking time bombs that the internet has known to love. Really irritating how the internet can ruin a perfectly good car. Never the less, I refuse to deal with a potential problem that BMW won't stand behind anyways.

Is the S63 also a ticking timebomb piece of junk? I'm about to move to Porsche as they seem to care about thier image and stand behind their product - unlike BMW. I'd really like the X5M, but not if I have to live in fear every time I start the engine.

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post #2 of 27 Old 19th February 2019, 05:13 AM
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The s63 has its issues also

Ive owned 4 bmws including 2 x5s and whenever it breaks and I google it the problem seems to be common

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post #3 of 27 Old 20th February 2019, 02:41 PM
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They're like a hot crazy chick... Everytime you get together you're scared, every out of the ordinary sound/comment you worry what it'll mean , your friends think you're out of your mind of having it and it consumes off money , but it's sexy as hell, fun to ride, and totally worth it. Crazy in head crazy in bed.


That said all Sxx engines seem to have reported issues, I've only really had worn rod bearing and the throttle actuators on the S85 all the others I have S54 and S62 have been rock solid. So some of it may be overblown too.

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As far as catastrophic failures in the S63, I'd say it's still the typical internet hysteria. I think part of the problem is that even BMW techs don't realize the total separation of an N63 from an S63, so there is confusion too. A "friend" of mine is a tech at the local dealer. He says they now run a second shift in the shop just so they can keep up with engine replacements (9.9/10 of which are for excessive oil consumption) and he wished me good luck. The thing is, the work they're doing is all on N63 engines, not the S63. When I clarified that to him, he had nothing to say. haha.

Anyway, in my opinion, I'd say the S63 is way better than the S85 you're getting rid of. The S62 is prone to sensor sensitivity and Vanos issues and an overblown rod bearing issue (no pun intend). The S85 has legit expensive repair concerns. The S63 doesn't have too much expensive go wrong with it, at this age anyway. Yeah, fuel injectors and pumps can go but some of that stuff is covered under BMW extended warranty and if not covered, they aren't ridiculously expensive. Of course some people have blown engines. I'd chalk up the majority of those to owners habits and aggressive tuning/mods on the stock bottom end.

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I've run the S63 in a 2013 X5M from 28,000 miles to it's current 72,500.

Aside from devastating depreciation, crippling tire and fuel consumption, body and electronic hiccups, and charge cooling issues it's been bulletproof for me.

Plugs burn out quickly, coils can go bad, and injectors if not updated are problematic. But mine still generates the power and acceleration as when I got it with no signs of slowing down. No turbos, cats, timing chains, bearings... no issues with the entire driveline in fact!

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I have had 3 S63 Engines blow up on me. My 2015 m5 let go at 14k miles. Just had a tune and down pipes. My 2016 M6 let go at 12k miles with just a tune. Same tuner. I have to blame them. They vanished since.

I bought a used supposed low miles S63TU motor from a junkyard to put in my M6 after. Tuned it with a new well known tuner and it let go 200 miles later. I suspect a tuning issue again.

Moral is I think get a REALLY good tuner. Use a JB4 due to it's safety features and logging. Don't be too aggressive.

I have a 2018 X5M that runs mid 11's w/ just a JB4.

Now I have a built Carbhan Stage2 engine in my M6 with Pure Stage2 Turbos and were on month 14 trying to get this working it's not making power and no one knows why yet.

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I have had 3 S63 Engines blow up on me. My 2015 m5 let go at 14k miles. Just had a tune and down pipes. My 2016 M6 let go at 12k miles with just a tune. Same tuner. I have to blame them. They vanished since.

I bought a used supposed low miles S63TU motor from a junkyard to put in my M6 after. Tuned it with a new well known tuner and it let go 200 miles later. I suspect a tuning issue again.

Moral is I think get a REALLY good tuner. Use a JB4 due to it's safety features and logging. Don't be too aggressive.

I have a 2018 X5M that runs mid 11's w/ just a JB4.

Now I have a built Carbhan Stage2 engine in my M6 with Pure Stage2 Turbos and were on month 14 trying to get this working it's not making power and no one knows why yet.

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Wow. Maybe you should change engine platforms because this one definitely has a curse on you!

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Wow. Maybe you should change engine platforms because this one definitely has a curse on you!
More like maybe if you constantly feel the need to tune a BMW as soon as you get it to get more power, you should rather go looking for something with more power instead from the start. Who covers the bill on all these engines you have had tuned that then detonated themselves? A tune is cheap compared to a blown engine.

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More like maybe if you constantly feel the need to tune a BMW as soon as you get it to get more power, you should rather go looking for something with more power instead from the start. Who covers the bill on all these engines you have had tuned that then detonated themselves? A tune is cheap compared to a blown engine.

Everyone wants more power and cheap power is very tempting in turbo cars. Problem is the car is already running 21 psi of boost from the factory, iirc...

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always be skeptical of "cheap power" even if a JB4 is only $400-600ish and somewhat safe, there's always a chance something could happen, and think of the cost then.

So again if the car comes with 21PSI from Factory and that's not enough power for you, then go get yourself an old Toyota 2JZ and turbo it up to 1000hp and be satisfied for likely less money than an S63 engine replacement!

I've never had a turbo car, and I know the cheap power can be incredibly tempting especially when the numbers are around 70-100 additional HP for about 500 bucks. But what else needs to be upgraded to handle that additional power so the car lasts and continues to be reliable? Bigger intercooler? Less restrictive exhaust?

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