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post #21 of 27 Old 27th October 2016, 01:19 PM
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Now I have to preface my response by saying that not only do I think w8pmc/Paul is a stand-up guy but he also has a lot of experience with a lot of cars... and he even let me (a guy he'd never met before) drive his M5 (hard) when I was in England a while back... nice guy all around. The same is equally true for gixxer/Simon, too, who actually offered to lend me his car during that same visit but which never quite panned out through no fault of his. Standup guys the both of you!


That said, and 1) knowing that I'm going to get a response in kind and 2) not helping my already unpopular opinion I suspect : blah, blah, assumption, blah, religious dogma, blah, brainwashed, and one more blah for completeness. You may well all be correct... really, you might be... (though none of this will matter either way if Trump wins since I'll probably top myself but I digress) but I refuse to believe that (the BMW bit, not the Trump bit) until I've driven one for myself. I struggle to comprehend that you'd say the same if you got in a Hurican and drove it as hard as I did--there's no torque steer and you can still be tail-happy, there's just power, grip and grins far bigger than even this one -->


C'mon, BMW, don't make a liar/fool/outcast out of me!
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I don't think anyone will suggest your opinion is wrong & my points only reflect my opinion, but as above i feel BMW are following the masses & they're clearly now with the new AMG E'Class 'following' as will be the last of the 3 power saloon/estate mfctrs to do it. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong & read up next year that the new M5 is the best M5 yet, but my head tells me perhaps & my heart tells me that could never be the case if AWD. Also if they offer a RWD & AWD variant which i don't believe they will, the purists will almost certainly favour the RWD & that's the model the press will suggest is the better 'drivers' car.

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I'd like to believe that but am strongly of the opinion it won't meet expectations & it's impossible to argue Audi's Quattro pedigree which i'd expect will always trump anything AMG or M can bring to market. I could of course be under estimating what BMW will do but they don't have an AWD pedigree in the performance car sector & even AMG beat BMW to market with the outgoing AMG E'class, albeit the car never came to UK shores.
Hmmm. Trouble is, I had a Ur-Quattro and it was bloody brilliant. Then I tried a Quattro S2 (I think - it was quite a long time ago but it was the model that replaced the proper Quattro) and it was, frankly, crap. It understeered like a very understeery thing, but was ever so safe. Every Quattro I've driven since has felt the same - understeer by default and safe to the point of nannying. Almost impossible to have any real fun, though impeccably built and generally pretty quick.

I mean no disrespect to anyone on this board who may own one, but I think Audi have bit a brilliant marketing niche - fast cars for (usually) men who don't really know how to drive, though they're happy aiming a vehicle and going fast.

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No doubting in the real world it's probably the way for all manufacturers to go, but personally it will take away from BMW M what was great about it & that was the dynamic nature of a RWD car. I very much doubt i'll give the next M5 a second look & oddly enough do quite like the press detail on the new AMG E'Class, but neither are a consideration for my next car & i'm still firmly in the camp that if you want AWD then that should be the domain of the RR/X5 type vehicles.
There I agree. My next car (and I'm looking at the moment) will probably be a Series 1 or 2 Land Rover, ideally a LWB ex army Pink Panther, and I'll keep the M5.

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Hmmm. Trouble is, I had a Ur-Quattro and it was bloody brilliant. Then I tried a Quattro S2 (I think - it was quite a long time ago but it was the model that replaced the proper Quattro) and it was, frankly, crap. It understeered like a very understeery thing, but was ever so safe. Every Quattro I've driven since has felt the same - understeer by default and safe to the point of nannying. Almost impossible to have any real fun, though impeccably built and generally pretty quick.

I mean no disrespect to anyone on this board who may own one, but I think Audi have bit a brilliant marketing niche - fast cars for (usually) men who don't really know how to drive, though they're happy aiming a vehicle and going fast.



There I agree. My next car (and I'm looking at the moment) will probably be a Series 1 or 2 Land Rover, ideally a LWB ex army Pink Panther, and I'll keep the M5.
I totally agree & have owned & driven many Audi RS's which makes me think with that pedigree, how can the new M5 be anything other than worse. Yes it will be a straight line monster as the RS's have been for years, but the B7 RS4 was according to most the sweetest of the many RS's & no doubt Audi could replicate that, but what have BMW got to draw on as the X5's are less dynamic than my house.
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Im considering and rs5, i currently own a m5 e60, how do they compare and also in terms of fun?? Would i be disappointed?

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I don't think anyone will suggest your opinion is wrong & my points only reflect my opinion, but as above i feel BMW are following the masses & they're clearly now with the new AMG E'Class 'following' as will be the last of the 3 power saloon/estate mfctrs to do it. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong & read up next year that the new M5 is the best M5 yet, but my head tells me perhaps & my heart tells me that could never be the case if AWD. Also if they offer a RWD & AWD variant which i don't believe they will, the purists will almost certainly favour the RWD & that's the model the press will suggest is the better 'drivers' car.

It seems it's confirmed, the next M5 will offer xDrive as an option. See: 2018 BMW M5 XDrive | car review @ Top Speed


That said, if the article is correct and they use the ZF auto instead of the DCT, then my experience with this X5M is going to put a real Debbie Downer on my AWD M5 dreams. As I've said before, this X5M with the Burger JB4 will trounce any of my other Ms off of the line and it'll throw you back in your seat in 4th and 5th gear, too--it's also quick enough to pull away from 911s (two of them to be precise but can't tell you the model because I didn't see either of their hind quarters).


Putting aside the obvious weight and, therefore, handling differences, the X5M is just not as much fun without the DCT. Sometimes the shifts are acceptable but most of the time I find myself yelling meaningless otherwise incoherent sentences littered with expletives.


So, BMW, if you're reading this (fat chance but I can hope)--IT'S GOT TO BE A BIG FAT "NO" TO PUTTING THE ZF IN M-CARS, EVEN THE SUVs... TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.

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Are the x5m brakes better than 50i? I find my m5 brakes awsome but the x5 50i is quick but brakes not the best for this heavy machine

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Are the x5m brakes better than 50i? I find my m5 brakes awsome but the x5 50i is quick but brakes not the best for this heavy machine
They're not stellar. They work but I wouldn't say they inspire confidence.
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