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post #51 of 59 Old 28th October 2014, 12:00 AM
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Perhaps u misunderstood as my tuner has made no comment regarding any other tuner or tune option, those were purely my observations & thoughts.

I can't recall what losses they applied on the dyno dynamics RR when it ran but the increase over stated stock BHP was 131bhp & about 80lbsft torque. That's with purely the custom tune as my car has no other modifications. If I was to add an aftermarket exhaust & intakes, those headline figures with a revised tune to take the hardware changes into account would rise.

Totally agree though that these are just figures. My car had a few minor tweaks today which it's believed extracted a little more torque & smoothed out the torque curve a little. Saying that it was immense before but it now peaks a little lower & lasts a little longer. Didn't have time to put her on the RR this time so i'll have to wait until next time I'm local to get the numbers.
Oh, I see--I thought you were re-stating the tuner's explanation.... got it. It'd be interesting to ask the tuner what level of drive-train loss they are accounting for when they cite their numbers. BMW's numbers list our vehicles at 575hp I think at the crank--we're both seeing/saying 700+ crank-hp so both of these tunes are (relative to manufacturer BS-numbers anyway) providing 120+hp increase.

Do you know if they offer remote tunes out of interest? Perhaps Ill call and ask.

I have no other mods on M5 either beyond having removed those silly charcoal filters (and adding spacers but I'm quite convinced they're not making me go any faster--I just look better doing it).
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post #52 of 59 Old 28th October 2014, 06:43 AM
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Oh, I see--I thought you were re-stating the tuner's explanation.... got it. It'd be interesting to ask the tuner what level of drive-train loss they are accounting for when they cite their numbers. BMW's numbers list our vehicles at 575hp I think at the crank--we're both seeing/saying 700+ crank-hp so both of these tunes are (relative to manufacturer BS-numbers anyway) providing 120+hp increase.

Do you know if they offer remote tunes out of interest? Perhaps Ill call and ask.

I have no other mods on M5 either beyond having removed those silly charcoal filters (and adding spacers but I'm quite convinced they're not making me go any faster--I just look better doing it).
Mine would be slightly lower stock as my M5 is not a C/P so the published stock BHP is only 560.

They do tune outside the UK (not remotely) & the owner is currently in Florida tuning cars. Not sure what he's tuning but they do travel to the U.S., Middle East & Far East.

When I have the final tweaks applied early next year & she gets another run on the RR I will enquire about the level of drivetrain loss they're applying. Needless to say, the extra power/torque is extremely addictive & the midrange pull is insane

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Mine would be slightly lower stock as my M5 is not a C/P so the published stock BHP is only 560.

They do tune outside the UK (not remotely) & the owner is currently in Florida tuning cars. Not sure what he's tuning but they do travel to the U.S., Middle East & Far East.

When I have the final tweaks applied early next year & she gets another run on the RR I will enquire about the level of drivetrain loss they're applying. Needless to say, the extra power/torque is extremely addictive & the midrange pull is insane
Good to know.

There's one aspect here that we've not taken into account when contrasting the numbers these tunes generate--British gasoline is better. Sure, you're paying through the nose for it but so would I for a tank of 99 octane fuel from Tescos. The best that most of us get here in the States is 91 or 92octane which limits the overboost we can tap into. At 99 octane, I suspect we'd all be doubling from +3psi to +6psi--I shudder with joy to think what that would do to rwhp.

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Good to know.

There's one aspect here that we've not taken into account when contrasting the numbers these tunes generate--British gasoline is better. Sure, you're paying through the nose for it but so would I for a tank of 99 octane fuel from Tescos. The best that most of us get here in the States is 91 or 92octane which limits the overboost we can tap into. At 99 octane, I suspect we'd all be doubling from +3psi to +6psi--I shudder with joy to think what that would do to rwhp.
Limey, where is Wa are you? Im in the Bellevue and would love to feel the difference between a tuned M5 and stock.
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Limey, where is Wa are you? Im in the Bellevue and would love to feel the difference between a tuned M5 and stock.
I live out north a bit but work in Redmond. I'd be happy to meet and show you the car some time.

I tried PMing but apparently I've got too few posts on this forum--not sure if you can PM me and enable at least a PM-chat between the two of us (not sure if it works that way).
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I live out north a bit but work in Redmond. I'd be happy to meet and show you the car some time.

I tried PMing but apparently I've got too few posts on this forum--not sure if you can PM me and enable at least a PM-chat between the two of us (not sure if it works that way).
Tried to reply to the PM you sent me, still blocked. A few more posts to go before that lights up for me.

I did send you an email but haven't heard back. FYI in case it's in your junk folder.
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Bump for any updates (re 2014 e63s vs 2014 m5)....Interestingly nobody really shared or discussed real world reliability concerns or issues. My mechanic works on both BMWs and MBZ and is telling me to stay clear of the f10 m5. I have searched wide and far and cannot seem to find any significant data (other than the easy f10 oil pump issue). Any thoughts or perspective on reliability?
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There has been a few popped motors in the f10
Some due to dodgy tunes and people pushing the envelope to far

I have an e60 and f10

Both have been fairly reliable however my compulsive need for preventative maintenance has been costly more so on the e60
Money wasted im not sure

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There has been a few popped motors in the f10
Some due to dodgy tunes and people pushing the envelope to far

I have an e60 and f10

Both have been fairly reliable however my compulsive need for preventative maintenance has been costly more so on the e60
Money wasted im not sure
The 2014 m5 I am looking at had the motor replaced at ~27k miles (cylinder 5 failure). This is a 100% stock car.
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