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F10 M5 Discussion 2010- Discussion about the next upcoming generation M5 based on the next generation 5-series, the F10.

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post #31 of 59 Old 18th October 2014, 06:38 PM
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I had the 2010 E63 AMG NA model. Absolutely beautiful car with huge torque and a magical exhaust note but way too much understeer. Then I test drove the 2012 CLS AMG and I could not believe what they did to it. The electric steering was horrible. I left the MB dealer as fast as I could, went down the street and ordered the 2012 F10 M5 (the second M5 I've owned). Yes MB may have it on sheer grunt but the road feel and handling of the M5 is far superior. It depends on what you are looking for I guess. For me no comparison.

I'm in the market for a new car next spring and I have not found anything better than the M5 yet. Going to test drive the RS7 but I don't have high hopes because of the transmission, which I have heard is slow relative to the M5 double clutch.
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I had the 2010 E63 AMG NA model. Absolutely beautiful car with huge torque and a magical exhaust note but way too much understeer. Then I test drove the 2012 CLS AMG and I could not believe what they did to it. The electric steering was horrible. I left the MB dealer as fast as I could, went down the street and ordered the 2012 F10 M5 (the second M5 I've owned). Yes MB may have it on sheer grunt but the road feel and handling of the M5 is far superior. It depends on what you are looking for I guess. For me no comparison.

I'm in the market for a new car next spring and I have not found anything better than the M5 yet. Going to test drive the RS7 but I don't have high hopes because of the transmission, which I have heard is slow relative to the M5 double clutch.
Yeah the RS7 is a beast for sure but yeah the tranny is a not on the same level as the M. Interior will be better in the Audi, AWD is a nice option for putting down all that power. Looks are completely subjective of course. I like the look of it but I know its a turn off for many.

Thanks for the info on your experience with your MBs. I really like the look of the M5, the handling is much better and it has better technology. I need to go drive the E63 and see what it feels like. Ive owned Audi, (still do) MB and BMW (E60 M5) and have liked all 3. The new electric steering in the Audi drives me crazy but my wife likes the feel of it, so if the E63 is similar it could be a deal killer.
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Yeah the RS7 is a beast for sure but yeah the tranny is a not on the same level as the M. Interior will be better in the Audi, AWD is a nice option for putting down all that power. Looks are completely subjective of course. I like the look of it but I know its a turn off for many.

Thanks for the info on your experience with your MBs. I really like the look of the M5, the handling is much better and it has better technology. I need to go drive the E63 and see what it feels like. Ive owned Audi, (still do) MB and BMW (E60 M5) and have liked all 3. The new electric steering in the Audi drives me crazy but my wife likes the feel of it, so if the E63 is similar it could be a deal killer.
The steering is less numb if you opt for the Performance pkg.

Remember, the E63 is really built more towards cruising duties while the M5 is more more track focused.

I like them both, the M5 does feel more secured around the twisties and high speed curves and give you more road feedback while the E63 will feel really silky smooth and taking you and the wife to dinner a la "rico - suave" with endless torque.

It all depends on what you want. Bottom line, simple summary -the M5 rides harder and the E63 rides softer.

I look at it like this (during his prime):
M5 = Mike Tyson in boxing gear
E63 = Mike Tyson in a tuxedo
*dressed either way, Mike Tyson could provide a heck of a punch, but he'll move better w/o the tux...get it?*

Which way do want your Mike Tyson?

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Are you running a piggy back or is the ECU actually tuned?
Mine is a physical ECU tune. Took about 8hrs to amend the relevant lines of code & still a couple of hours to fine tune the remap applied a few weeks ago. I'd not touch a tuning box or piggy back tune with a barge pole on an F10 M5. Fine for a 320d but not an £80k motor.

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Dinan has not cracked the F10 M5's ECU. That is why they are offering a Dinantronics piggyback tune.
That's even better so perhaps is only 1 tuner who are doing actual ECU remaps. For some reason i assumed Dinan had also cracked the ECU & with them being perceived as premium tuner i'm somewhat shocked they're only offering a piggyback tune but hey ho, i bet they charge a ridiculous premium for their Tuning box.

As per above, i'd not dare risk such a tuning method on a high value vehicle, but that's down to my personal opinion/taste.

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FWIW, the DINANTRONICS Stage 2 software update brings the F10 CP to 708 HP & 651 TRQ. Admittedly not cheap but passes emissions & no warrantee hassles.
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FWIW, the DINANTRONICS Stage 2 software update brings the F10 CP to 708 HP & 651 TRQ. Admittedly not cheap but passes emissions & no warrantee hassles.
Is that 651lbsft or nm? Am assuming it's lbsft in which case one hell of a hike in torque. Mine's 691bhp & 605lbsft but both should rise a little next week as she's having a few minor tweaks to the code

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Is that 651lbsft or nm? Am assuming it's lbsft in which case one hell of a hike in torque. Mine's 691bhp & 605lbsft but both should rise a little next week as she's having a few minor tweaks to the code

It's lb-ft or ft-lb if you prefer. Definitely not nm.
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It's lb-ft or ft-lb if you prefer. Definitely not nm.
What other modifications has the car got other than the Stage 2 software? I'm assuming being stage 2 the car will have an after market exhaust, downpipes & intakes? Are they all part of the Dinan stage 2?

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What other modifications has the car got other than the Stage 2 software? I'm assuming being stage 2 the car will have an after market exhaust, downpipes & intakes? Are they all part of the Dinan stage 2?

The only non-Dinan part is the Akrapovic exhaust. It has Dinan cold air intakes. Nothing has been done to the down pipes or cats. I posted Dinan's dyno charts in my Dinan Post.
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