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F10 M5 Discussion 2010- Discussion about the next upcoming generation M5 based on the next generation 5-series, the F10.

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post #21 of 59 Old 3rd October 2014, 03:54 AM
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Nice!

I was looking at a white E63 S with the carbon fiber exterior package that was on my local MB dealer's lot. It was a very sharp looking car. I still like the aesthetics (interior and exterior) of the F10 M5 better.

I agree the M5 lacks in the exhaust department but that was resolved by putting on Supersprint race mufflers and AMS catted downpipes (total cost was under $5K). I have a little more induction sound as well with same carbon fiber intakes similar to Gruppe M (cost $2K). What really sold me on the M5 was the looks, the DCT and how rev happy the engine still is even with turbos. I always tailor my cars to my individual tastes so some of the M5's shortcomings I have addressed (modified exhaust and I even did thicker anti-roll bars).

You can't go wrong with either car. The E63 S is a great car and is very appealling.
I agree that the M5 is better looking than the E63 S. The E63 S is good looking enough to me but not as much as the M5. The engine, AWD, acceleration performance, greater tuning potential and engine and exhaust noise sold me on the E63 S -- a wrenching decision after a lifetime of BMW ownership.

Mercedes of Massapequa, in my metro area, has two killer white 2014 E63 S cars in dealer stock -- one a wagon with B&O and one sedan. They have the blacked out stuff as I recall. They look sharp as hell. But I am not a white car guy so I ordered my 2015 E63 S sedan in Lunar Blue. Every E63 I see is black, white or silver. I wanted to look different.
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for me it was between a Red/ Black MY15 E60s or White/Shakir Orange MY14 M5.. The M5 won due to the appearance and the fun factor. But the E63 is fast as hell.
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Both are great cars!

Remember, you are in a BMW forum, so expect some favortism towards the bimmer. That being said, I like them both, but IF I had to only drive one on a daily basis, I'll choose the E63S due to its overall greater daily flexibility. Meaning, AWD, great power and luxury.

My personal experiences with both M and AMG cars stock vs. stock has been...
M-cars:
Better overall driving dynamic...it moves with you - better feedback
Better for S-turns and twisties
Better road race cars
Good braking power

AMG-cars:
Better drag racer
Better sounding V8
AMG motors seems more realiable overall
Better overall luxury
Better cruiser - softer ride

Cost to mod seems to be roughly the same for both cars, but in the end, the AMG seems to respond much better to tunes and exhaust mods. The AMG needs suspension mods to touch the M excellent off the showroom floor real-world day-to-day handling capabilities.

There are other little nic nac things here and there, but overall, the above differences takes the cake for me.

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Both are great cars!

Remember, you are in a BMW forum, so expect some favortism towards the bimmer. That being said, I like them both, but IF I had to only drive one on a daily basis, I'll choose the E63S due to its overall greater daily flexibility. Meaning, AWD, great power and luxury.

My personal experiences with both M and AMG cars stock vs. stock has been...
M-cars:
Better overall driving dynamic...it moves with you - better feedback
Better for S-turns and twisties
Better road race cars
Good braking power

AMG-cars:
Better drag racer
Better sounding V8
AMG motors seems more realiable overall
Better overall luxury
Better cruiser - softer ride

Cost to mod seems to be roughly the same for both cars, but in the end, the AMG seems to respond much better to tunes and exhaust mods. The AMG needs suspension mods to touch the M excellent off the showroom floor real-world day-to-day handling capabilities.

There are other little nic nac things here and there, but overall, the above differences takes the cake for me.
Thanks. I actually posted on both a Merc and BMW forum because I knew I would get bias feedback.

Your breakdown seems very consistent from what Ive read so far. The thing that amazes me about the M is no tuner has been able to crack the ECU. The Merc guys are getting crazy numbers from just a tune. But your right that is only part of the story, the handling is a little more important to me as I enjoy corners very much. The engine in the Merc seems to be a better overall engine, the exhaust note is better but the handling and transmission are better in the the M. Interior wise is sort of subjective. When I sit in both cars the M feels so much bigger. I like the Merc seats and the simplicity of the controls but I like the HUD and tech in the M.

At this point I havent driven both yet but I am leaning towards the Merc. Partly because I want to try something new. Ill go drive both and see how I feel.
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Thanks. I actually posted on both a Merc and BMW forum because I knew I would get bias feedback.

Your breakdown seems very consistent from what Ive read so far. The thing that amazes me about the M is no tuner has been able to crack the ECU. The Merc guys are getting crazy numbers from just a tune. But your right that is only part of the story, the handling is a little more important to me as I enjoy corners very much. The engine in the Merc seems to be a better overall engine, the exhaust note is better but the handling and transmission are better in the the M. Interior wise is sort of subjective. When I sit in both cars the M feels so much bigger. I like the Merc seats and the simplicity of the controls but I like the HUD and tech in the M.

At this point I havent driven both yet but I am leaning towards the Merc. Partly because I want to try something new. Ill go drive both and see how I feel.

Good deal!

By all means brother, do as much research as possible...this is a big decision, and an expensive one at that.

You're right, as far as interior layouts, subjectivity plays a big role – in general, I feel that BMW tries to find easy ways to make things hard...some things just looks over engineered. In comparison, Mercedes keeps it simple and straight forward...more user friendly...even their owner’s manual is easier to follow.

Handling wise, yes, the M hands down is much better. But remember, BMW’s in general, especially the M cars are dedicated more towards handling vs. overall comfort…comfort wise, Mercedes takes the prize. You can always lower the E63 and gain better overall handling, but with a little ride stiffness penalty…not too bad though.

Tuning wise thus far, yes, the Mercedes boys are doing great things over there. Again, I go back to my previous comment, BMW for some reason has to make things harder. However, tuners will eventually crack the safe…it is a similar battle going on with the new 991 911 TT/TTS P-cars.

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Thanks. I actually posted on both a Merc and BMW forum because I knew I would get bias feedback.

Your breakdown seems very consistent from what Ive read so far. The thing that amazes me about the M is no tuner has been able to crack the ECU. The Merc guys are getting crazy numbers from just a tune. But your right that is only part of the story, the handling is a little more important to me as I enjoy corners very much. The engine in the Merc seems to be a better overall engine, the exhaust note is better but the handling and transmission are better in the the M. Interior wise is sort of subjective. When I sit in both cars the M feels so much bigger. I like the Merc seats and the simplicity of the controls but I like the HUD and tech in the M.

At this point I havent driven both yet but I am leaning towards the Merc. Partly because I want to try something new. Ill go drive both and see how I feel.
The F10 M5 ECU has been cracked. My tuner certainly has & i believe in the US Dinan have as well. Mine is just shy of 700bhp & 570lbsft. Having a few minor changes to the code in a week so the torque should rise a little.

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The F10 M5 ECU has been cracked. My tuner certainly has & i believe in the US Dinan have as well. Mine is just shy of 700bhp & 570lbsft. Having a few minor changes to the code in a week so the torque should rise a little.
Dinan has not cracked the F10 M5's ECU. That is why they are offering a Dinantronics piggyback tune.
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How on earth would you compare the handling of the M5 with the dumb steering in the E63? Comparing these two vehicles on an M5 Board is sacrilegious
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PS I have owned both. No comparison. None.
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How on earth would you compare the handling of the M5 with the dumb steering in the E63? Comparing these two vehicles on an M5 Board is sacrilegious
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PS I have owned both. No comparison. None.
Thanks for the info. Beyond the handling and steering what makes the M ( in your mind ) so much better? Did you own a W212 with the Bi-turbo V8 or the NA 6.3?
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