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post #11 of 59 Old 30th September 2014, 02:00 AM
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Go with the E63, the TT V8 is no slouch. The F10 M5 doesn't even have true ECU flashes yet available for the car and it's been out for more than two and a half years.

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Go with the E63, the TT V8 is no slouch. The F10 M5 doesn't even have true ECU flashes yet available for the car and it's been out for more than two and a half years.
While there are no F10 M5 ECU flashes out in the US there are some piggyback tunes such as BMS and Dinan. The power gains do not appear to be huge though unlike the results of the AMS and Renntech ECU flashes on the E 63.

But both M5 and E63 are very very fast.
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Go with the E63, the TT V8 is no slouch. The F10 M5 doesn't even have true ECU flashes yet available for the car and it's been out for more than two and a half years.
I think you'll find it does as mine's sporting such a tune.

Also top speed limiter removal

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The 2013 M5 you cite has the BMS tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust. Quarter mile at 11.073 seconds at 128.680 mph.

The fastest 2014 E 63 time with tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust (AMS mods) in the quarter mile is 10.850 seconds at 129.310 mph: 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S AWD Alpha 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

To me that is not that close.

In stock form, in the comparison I cited, Motor Trend clocked the M5 Competition Package from 0-60 at 3.7 seconds and E63 S at 3.4 seconds. From 0-100, the M5 was at 8.1 seconds while the E63 S was at 8.0 seconds. In the quarter mile, the M5 was at 11.9 sec @ 122.2 mph while the E63 S was at 11.6 sec @ 121.8 mph. To me, these results all show that the E63S has better acceleration at least until 100 mph. Clearly, above 100 the M5 will start reeling the E63 S in and passing it due to the greater high speed efficiency of rear wheel drive. But, to me, that is not important because I don't drive at speeds above 100 mph in real world driving. I usually don't exceed 85 or 90 and my average highway cruise is about 70-75.

Moreover, the M5 is very difficult to launch correctly due to so much power just driving the rear wheels. With the E63 S and its all wheel drive, it is point and shoot as it just puts the power down to the ground. Stated differently, the average driver will be much faster accelerating in the E63 S than in the M5.

In terms of braking, Motor Trend found that both cars stopped from 60 to 0 in 106 feet.

In terms of handling, both cars pulled .95 g on the skidpad and had the same time through the figure 8: 24.3 seconds.

Of course, in corners, the M5 rolls less than the E63 S which will roll more. I do love me some flat cornering.

Here is the link to the MT stats:

2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S vs. BMW M5 Competition Pack - Motor Trend Page 2

Again, to me they are both great cars. I would be happy with either one. I chose the E63 S because of the greater power, tuning potential, acceleration and winter traction with its AWD and because of its amazing engine and exhaust noise which, to me, the M5 does not compete with.

I still think the M5 is the better looking car both inside and outside as well as having better electronics, stereo and transmission.
You must base close on very small margins as i see the above as being very close & a big win for the F10 based on it being RWD. I agree if you need/want AWD then the 63S will be quicker under certain conditions but as said above, the AWD isn't available or wanted in the UK so both these cars are RWD only over here.

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You must base close on very small margins as i see the above as being very close & a big win for the F10 based on it being RWD. I agree if you need/want AWD then the 63S will be quicker under certain conditions but as said above, the AWD isn't available or wanted in the UK so both these cars are RWD only over here.
Any way you cut it, the E63 S is faster than the M5 up to about 110 mph.

As for me, I didn't want the AWD just for the winter. I wanted it for the better acceleration from a stop and coming out of low speed, tight corners.
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Any way you cut it, the E63 S is faster than the M5 up to about 110 mph.

As for me, I didn't want the AWD just for the winter. I wanted it for the better acceleration from a stop and coming out of low speed, tight corners.
I'll grant you that, the AWD 63S is ever so slightly quicker up to a ton, but if you didn't care about anything other than performance then why not go for an R35 GT-R?

In the UK the same doesn't apply so the M5 is the quicker car, but ignoring 0-100 or 0-200kph for a moment, are these cars not about more than just a straight line drag race as that's really not the primary factor as it's the overall experience & i'm sorry to say that's where the M5 excels as it's sharper handling, better styling (i admit that's more down to opinion), better form & function & most important for me, a better cabin with more up to date technology. I however surrender that the 63 is the better sounding car.

Bottom line is they're both epic vehicles. In the US you have an option we don't so it's no contest over here as to the quicker car, but if i really wanted AWD, i'd be spending my money with Audi.

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The 2013 M5 you cite has the BMS tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust. Quarter mile at 11.073 seconds at 128.680 mph.

The fastest 2014 E 63 time with tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust (AMS mods) in the quarter mile is 10.850 seconds at 129.310 mph: 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S AWD Alpha 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

To me that is not that close.

In stock form, in the comparison I cited, Motor Trend clocked the M5 Competition Package from 0-60 at 3.7 seconds and E63 S at 3.4 seconds. From 0-100, the M5 was at 8.1 seconds while the E63 S was at 8.0 seconds. In the quarter mile, the M5 was at 11.9 sec @ 122.2 mph while the E63 S was at 11.6 sec @ 121.8 mph. To me, these results all show that the E63S has better acceleration at least until 100 mph. Clearly, above 100 the M5 will start reeling the E63 S in and passing it due to the greater high speed efficiency of rear wheel drive. But, to me, that is not important because I don't drive at speeds above 100 mph in real world driving. I usually don't exceed 85 or 90 and my average highway cruise is about 70-75.

Moreover, the M5 is very difficult to launch correctly due to so much power just driving the rear wheels. With the E63 S and its all wheel drive, it is point and shoot as it just puts the power down to the ground. Stated differently, the average driver will be much faster accelerating in the E63 S than in the M5.

In terms of braking, Motor Trend found that both cars stopped from 60 to 0 in 106 feet.

In terms of handling, both cars pulled .95 g on the skidpad and had the same time through the figure 8: 24.3 seconds.

Of course, in corners, the M5 rolls less than the E63 S which will roll more. I do love me some flat cornering.

Here is the link to the MT stats:

2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S vs. BMW M5 Competition Pack - Motor Trend Page 2

Again, to me they are both great cars. I would be happy with either one. I chose the E63 S because of the greater power, tuning potential, acceleration and winter traction with its AWD and because of its amazing engine and exhaust noise which, to me, the M5 does not compete with.

I still think the M5 is the better looking car both inside and outside as well as having better electronics, stereo and transmission.
I disagree. Those times are pretty close given that the track run by the M5 is not particularly known for great track prep. The trap speeds are also within .7 mph. To me that is very close and you yourself are the one who said "a tuned F10 M5 with bolt on mods" does not get close to a 10.9-11.0 second quarter mile.

Just out of curiosity... have you done any aftermarket work to your E63 S?

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The 2013 M5 you cite has the BMS tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust. Quarter mile at 11.073 seconds at 128.680 mph.

The fastest 2014 E 63 time with tune, downpipes and aftermarket exhaust (AMS mods) in the quarter mile is 10.850 seconds at 129.310 mph: 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S AWD Alpha 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

To me that is not that close.

In stock form, in the comparison I cited, Motor Trend clocked the M5 Competition Package from 0-60 at 3.7 seconds and E63 S at 3.4 seconds. From 0-100, the M5 was at 8.1 seconds while the E63 S was at 8.0 seconds. In the quarter mile, the M5 was at 11.9 sec @ 122.2 mph while the E63 S was at 11.6 sec @ 121.8 mph. To me, these results all show that the E63S has better acceleration at least until 100 mph. Clearly, above 100 the M5 will start reeling the E63 S in and passing it due to the greater high speed efficiency of rear wheel drive. But, to me, that is not important because I don't drive at speeds above 100 mph in real world driving. I usually don't exceed 85 or 90 and my average highway cruise is about 70-75.

Moreover, the M5 is very difficult to launch correctly due to so much power just driving the rear wheels. With the E63 S and its all wheel drive, it is point and shoot as it just puts the power down to the ground. Stated differently, the average driver will be much faster accelerating in the E63 S than in the M5.

In terms of braking, Motor Trend found that both cars stopped from 60 to 0 in 106 feet.

In terms of handling, both cars pulled .95 g on the skidpad and had the same time through the figure 8: 24.3 seconds.

Of course, in corners, the M5 rolls less than the E63 S which will roll more. I do love me some flat cornering.

Here is the link to the MT stats:

2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S vs. BMW M5 Competition Pack - Motor Trend Page 2

Again, to me they are both great cars. I would be happy with either one. I chose the E63 S because of the greater power, tuning potential, acceleration and winter traction with its AWD and because of its amazing engine and exhaust noise which, to me, the M5 does not compete with.

I still think the M5 is the better looking car both inside and outside as well as having better electronics, stereo and transmission.
I disagree. Those times are pretty close given that the track run by the M5 is not particularly known for great track prep. The trap speeds are also within .7 mph. To me that is very close and you yourself are the one who said "a tuned F10 M5 with bolt on mods" does not get close to a 10.9-11.0 second quarter mile.

Just out of curiosity... have you done any aftermarket work to your E63 S?
My E63 S arrives in January. Will be getting the Renntech full tune (not the intermediate one). Probably will skip the additional bolt on mods as none add much power and they cost a lot (Renntech downpipe adds 10 Bhp and costs almost $5k with race cats), exhaust adds 15 Bhp (costs about $3k) and intake (costs about $5k) adds 10 Bhp). Beyond that I am getting HRE RS101 wheels which are being finished now.
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Any way you cut it, the E63 S is faster than the M5 up to about 110 mph.

As for me, I didn't want the AWD just for the winter. I wanted it for the better acceleration from a stop and coming out of low speed, tight corners.
I'll grant you that, the AWD 63S is ever so slightly quicker up to a ton, but if you didn't care about anything other than performance then why not go for an R35 GT-R?

In the UK the same doesn't apply so the M5 is the quicker car, but ignoring 0-100 or 0-200kph for a moment, are these cars not about more than just a straight line drag race as that's really not the primary factor as it's the overall experience & i'm sorry to say that's where the M5 excels as it's sharper handling, better styling (i admit that's more down to opinion), better form & function & most important for me, a better cabin with more up to date technology. I however surrender that the 63 is the better sounding car.

Bottom line is they're both epic vehicles. In the US you have an option we don't so it's no contest over here as to the quicker car, but if i really wanted AWD, i'd be spending my money with Audi.
I would not consider the Audi due to its very heavy understeer. That has been panned in the car mags. The Audi is very noseheavy.
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My E63 S arrives in January. Will be getting the Renntech full tune (not the intermediate one). Probably will skip the additional bolt on mods as none add much power and they cost a lot (Renntech downpipe adds 10 Bhp and costs almost $5k with race cats), exhaust adds 15 Bhp (costs about $3k) and intake (costs about $5k) adds 10 Bhp). Beyond that I am getting HRE RS101 wheels which are being finished now.
Nice!

I was looking at a white E63 S with the carbon fiber exterior package that was on my local MB dealer's lot. It was a very sharp looking car. I still like the aesthetics (interior and exterior) of the F10 M5 better.

I agree the M5 lacks in the exhaust department but that was resolved by putting on Supersprint race mufflers and AMS catted downpipes (total cost was under $5K). I have a little more induction sound as well with same carbon fiber intakes similar to Gruppe M (cost $2K). What really sold me on the M5 was the looks, the DCT and how rev happy the engine still is even with turbos. I always tailor my cars to my individual tastes so some of the M5's shortcomings I have addressed (modified exhaust and I even did thicker anti-roll bars).

You can't go wrong with either car. The E63 S is a great car and is very appealling.
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