F10 M5 Zero-Sixty Time - BMW M5 Forum and M6 Forums
F10 M5 Discussion 2010- Discussion about the next upcoming generation M5 based on the next generation 5-series, the F10.

 3Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
post #1 of 11 Old 9th June 2011, 08:37 AM Thread Starter
avlnch
Moderator
 
avlnch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South FL
Posts: 2,217
Thanks: 166
Thanked 412 Times in 254 Posts
F10 M5 Zero-Sixty Time

This video has been out for a while from the M Closed Room. The test drivers used launch control and show the F10 M5 launch from 0-100kph (or) 0-60mph.

Video Title: New BMW M5 At The Test Track. 2011.
Video Link: YouTube - ‪New BMW M5 at the test track. 2011.‬‏
M5 LC Time Frame: @1:25 - @1:29


I used my iPhone's stop watch to try and estimate the F10 M5's 0-60 time as accurate as possible. I must have clocked it about 20 times.. and I kept on getting two numbers 99% of the time.

00:03.7 and 00:03.8

03.8 is a promising number.. it's not 100% accurate, but I think it's a pretty close number. The F10 M5 will absolutely be a sub-four second car.. and 3.7-3.8 I think is defiantly close to accurate.. enough to seriously consider.

From following this car (and all of it's press) very closely I have thought the F10 M5 would be at least 580HP - minimum. Then not too long ago, engine photos came out showing the F10 M5's engine up close. After comparing the F10 engine (unknown hp) to the X5M/X6M engine (555hp), the F10 M5 engine makes the X5M engine look small. The intakes and turbos under the hood of the F10 M5 look almost double the size of the X5M's. Now I strongly believe that the F10 M5 will be producing a minimum of 600HP. The 0-60mph / 0-100kph time of 3.8 makes sense as well.. also makes this estimate even more credible.

BMW stated that the F10 M5 WILL be an industry leader. This is basically saying that the next generation M5 will beat all the competition. This is the reason why BMW is so hesistant to release ANY performance figures. BMW M is waiting until the very last minute.. at which time they will consult with the marketing team or whomever to gather the competitors performance figures and optional packages (such as when AMG offers a power upgrade to their cars by offering an AMG "030" Package after the car is produced). BMW M will then do some fine tuning (on a very tune friendly V8 TT platform) to squeeze out any additional power.. if it's necessary. This is a necessary approach to take if you want to be an industry leader. BMW M defiantly wants the "M5 Title" back, and I know they will get it back. So far everything is pointing to this car being a monster.. just a shame it is so far out (+1 year out for US delivery).

2016 BMW ///M5 INDIVIDUAL {Frozen Black/Bi-Color White/Black/Black Alcantara/Piano Black Trim/Contrast Stitching}
~Mods: Akrapovic Exhaust, OEM Charcoal Filter Delete, P3 Vent Gauge, V1

Last edited by avlnch; 10th June 2011 at 04:57 AM. Reason: typo
avlnch is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to avlnch For This Useful Post:
LFC09 (11th June 2011), Mark Carson (9th June 2011), MEnthusiast (10th June 2011), MiamiSixer (10th June 2011), MKSixer (12th June 2011)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 11 Old 9th June 2011, 11:27 AM
johnbmw6
Member, P500, DSC On (>600)
 
johnbmw6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 652
Thanks: 88
Thanked 33 Times in 31 Posts
Nice INFO, I hope the price is "Sensible" and not "Silly" as Mercedes have set the bench mark with the CLS V8 5.5 engine @ around 80K UK.
I hope BMW undercut this basic price but at least 10K .
johnbmw6 is offline  
post #3 of 11 Old 9th June 2011, 02:54 PM
Wolverine
M5 Guru (>2000 posts)
 
Wolverine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,886
Thanks: 29
Thanked 193 Times in 133 Posts
I think you make a number of very good points. I have to agree that BMW isn't releasing the final HP figures yet, because of competitive considerations. With a turbo engine, you have incredible flexibility to 'adjust' the hp just by turning up the boost, and I'm sure the good engineers at BMW have constructed a 'reliability vs boost' graph that includes an 'acceptable window' of reliability. There is also probably a 'HP vs cost' curve for a set reliability. If they issue a press release of a 600 HP engine today, that just gives Audi and Mercedes that much more time develop an engine to beat it.

I also think that given European launch control, the car will definitely hit 60 in under 4 seconds. I just don't know if we'll get it here in the US.

Mike
Wolverine is offline  
 
post #4 of 11 Old 9th June 2011, 05:54 PM
bimmerule
M5 Expert (>4000)
 
bimmerule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 6,918
Blog Entries: 12
Thanks: 1,177
Thanked 650 Times in 513 Posts
The F10 M5 is set to weigh roughly 800 lbs less than the X5M (4.4 sec), and will no doubt match the Audi RS6 V10 (580HP). With that Power/Weight ratio, it has a good chance of hitting the 4.0 sec mark. The real test is 0-100-0, do that in 13 seconds and we have a supercar!

Maint: Liqui Moly 10W60 Race Tech GT1 Engine Oil, Pentosin MTF2, Mobil1 Full Synthetic ATF Steering Fluid, ATE Super Gold Brake Fluid
Wheels: Style 65 18x9.5" Squared 275/35/18 Dunlop Direzza Z1 Sport Star Spec, 3mm Front Spacers, Turner Motorsports Extended Bolts
Braking: Genuine BMW Rotors, Pagid Yellow RS 19 Endurance Racing Compound, Titanium Backing Plates, Open Brake Ducts, FTE Lines
Handling: Intrax Racing Springs, Bilstein B8 Monotube Dampers, Ground Control Camber Plates, Dinan Strut Tower Brace, Dinan Rear Sway Bar, X5 Thrust Arm Bushing
Power: Is Nothing Without Control, Stock Motor Dyno'd @ 341WHP, 319LB-FT Dynojet.
Aero: None Yet
Race: [email protected] Englishtown, Lime Rock Park 1'09.9", New Jersey Motorsport Park Lightning Circuit 1'23.420", Thunderbolt Circuit 1'44.2", Watkins Glen International *tbd, Monticello Motor Club *tbd.
Gear: Bell SA2010 Sport Helmet, Sparco Tornado Racing Gloves, Sparco Speed+ Racing Shoes, OMP Balaclava
Winter: Style 66 17x8, 17x9 Staggered 235/45/17-245/45/17 Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 Studless Snows
Interior: E60 SSK, ZHP Shift Knob, MK4 Navigation, Umnitza VXX Angle Eyes, Brushed Aluminum Trim Swap
Favorite Quote: "Understeer is when you hit the wall with your front end. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with your back end. Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall. Torque is how far you move the wall when you hit it. "
bimmerule is offline  
post #5 of 11 Old 9th June 2011, 05:55 PM
Bones
Junior Member, warming up (<31 posts)
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Chicago
Posts: 28
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
90 kph = 55.9 mph. I dont think you will see a sub 4 second quoted by BMW. 600bhp, I dont think that is in the cards as well. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
Bones is offline  
post #6 of 11 Old 10th June 2011, 05:45 AM Thread Starter
avlnch
Moderator
 
avlnch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South FL
Posts: 2,217
Thanks: 166
Thanked 412 Times in 254 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bones View Post
90 kph = 55.9 mph. I dont think you will see a sub 4 second quoted by BMW. 600bhp, I dont think that is in the cards as well. Hope I am wrong, but I doubt it
Simple typo.. I meant to type 0-100kph at the top of the post. At the bottom of the post I wrote it correctly (100kph). I hope your wrong about that too. Have you seen the photos of the F10 M5 engine? It looks double the size of the X5M's 555HP motor.
If it's not 600hp minimum then they better make the engine & components smaller, because it's a waste of metal/weight!

Updated the post, thanks for catching it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerule View Post
The F10 M5 is set to weigh roughly 800 lbs less than the X5M (4.4 sec), and will no doubt match the Audi RS6 V10 (580HP). With that Power/Weight ratio, it has a good chance of hitting the 4.0 sec mark. The real test is 0-100-0, do that in 13 seconds and we have a supercar!
I think that it will defiantly be a sub four second car, and that is being conservative. By clocking the 0-100kph/0-60mph time from the video of the German test driver using L/C, I easily clocked sub-four second times. This almost guarantees the F10 M5 will be a sub-four second car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
I think you make a number of very good points. I have to agree that BMW isn't releasing the final HP figures yet, because of competitive considerations. With a turbo engine, you have incredible flexibility to 'adjust' the hp just by turning up the boost, and I'm sure the good engineers at BMW have constructed a 'reliability vs boost' graph that includes an 'acceptable window' of reliability. There is also probably a 'HP vs cost' curve for a set reliability. If they issue a press release of a 600 HP engine today, that just gives Audi and Mercedes that much more time develop an engine to beat it.

I also think that given European launch control, the car will definitely hit 60 in under 4 seconds. I just don't know if we'll get it here in the US.
Exactly.. BMW loves to be ahead of the competition, and that is why the E60 was such a success. It's great for marketing, and exactly what the enthusiasts want. It is official (from the mouth of M) that the F10 will be at the top of the competition. It explains M's silent treatment, and while many are upset over the lack of performance details/information made available, I think M is doing this right.

Now with changing their power-plant from N/A to T/T, the rules of the game have changed... BMW's "Performance Parts" line might even introduce an ECU upgrade some time after production. Maybe say, 2 years later so the F10 M5 can better compete against newer competition (2014MY/2015MY). Also, since a performance exhaust was made available for the M3, I think that the BMW Performance Parts line will also carry an exhaust upgrade for the F10 M5 at some point in time after production.

I think we will be seeing more things that are out of character for M. First was the transition from N/A to T/T. Second might be AWD. Probably more to come, we will find out a lot more on the F10 M5 in two weeks time.

Regardless of these changes and the new direction M is going.. it's not that bad. The F10 M5 will probably reclaim "The Beast" title and be better in every way (performance, handling, luxury, convenience) than the E60 M5.

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbmw6 View Post
Nice INFO, I hope the price is "Sensible" and not "Silly" as Mercedes have set the bench mark with the CLS V8 5.5 engine @ around 80K UK.
I hope BMW undercut this basic price but at least 10K .
The F10 M5 will defiantly be more expensive.. it will also have a lot more technology which brings the price up - but technology is usually always options, meaning you can choose to purchase them. It will also have the option of carbon-ceramic brakes ($10k+ option). If the E60 M5 MSRP was $85k and options out to $100k, then it might be a decent guess to say $95k and optioned out at maximum of $120? Just a guess.

2016 BMW ///M5 INDIVIDUAL {Frozen Black/Bi-Color White/Black/Black Alcantara/Piano Black Trim/Contrast Stitching}
~Mods: Akrapovic Exhaust, OEM Charcoal Filter Delete, P3 Vent Gauge, V1

Last edited by avlnch; 10th June 2011 at 05:51 AM.
avlnch is offline  
post #7 of 11 Old 10th June 2011, 05:48 AM
"S62"
m5board.comoholic (>1000 posts)
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 1,054
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 64
Thanked 70 Times in 70 Posts
"S62" is offline  
post #8 of 11 Old 10th June 2011, 05:17 PM
bimmerule
M5 Expert (>4000)
 
bimmerule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 6,918
Blog Entries: 12
Thanks: 1,177
Thanked 650 Times in 513 Posts
OP, I too share the same enthusiasm in seeing a sub 4 sec M5, but your methodology in post #1 is hardly scientific. BMW's official numbers always tend to be on the conservative side, plus the RWD disadvantage in launching from a stand still, a solid 4.0 sec car is still an accomplishment.

Maint: Liqui Moly 10W60 Race Tech GT1 Engine Oil, Pentosin MTF2, Mobil1 Full Synthetic ATF Steering Fluid, ATE Super Gold Brake Fluid
Wheels: Style 65 18x9.5" Squared 275/35/18 Dunlop Direzza Z1 Sport Star Spec, 3mm Front Spacers, Turner Motorsports Extended Bolts
Braking: Genuine BMW Rotors, Pagid Yellow RS 19 Endurance Racing Compound, Titanium Backing Plates, Open Brake Ducts, FTE Lines
Handling: Intrax Racing Springs, Bilstein B8 Monotube Dampers, Ground Control Camber Plates, Dinan Strut Tower Brace, Dinan Rear Sway Bar, X5 Thrust Arm Bushing
Power: Is Nothing Without Control, Stock Motor Dyno'd @ 341WHP, 319LB-FT Dynojet.
Aero: None Yet
Race: [email protected] Englishtown, Lime Rock Park 1'09.9", New Jersey Motorsport Park Lightning Circuit 1'23.420", Thunderbolt Circuit 1'44.2", Watkins Glen International *tbd, Monticello Motor Club *tbd.
Gear: Bell SA2010 Sport Helmet, Sparco Tornado Racing Gloves, Sparco Speed+ Racing Shoes, OMP Balaclava
Winter: Style 66 17x8, 17x9 Staggered 235/45/17-245/45/17 Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 Studless Snows
Interior: E60 SSK, ZHP Shift Knob, MK4 Navigation, Umnitza VXX Angle Eyes, Brushed Aluminum Trim Swap
Favorite Quote: "Understeer is when you hit the wall with your front end. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with your back end. Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall. Torque is how far you move the wall when you hit it. "
bimmerule is offline  
post #9 of 11 Old 10th June 2011, 05:53 PM
TheBrigand
Member, Sport: Off DSC: On (>50 posts)
 
TheBrigand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Boulder, CO
Posts: 59
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Sub 4 seconds in a 5 series with a factory warranty? How sick is that! It'd suck to have a 2 year old Ferrari (or a brand new 612 Scaglietti or California) and get worked by a sedan with a car seat in the back.
TheBrigand is offline  
post #10 of 11 Old 11th June 2011, 09:03 PM Thread Starter
avlnch
Moderator
 
avlnch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: South FL
Posts: 2,217
Thanks: 166
Thanked 412 Times in 254 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by bimmerule View Post
OP, I too share the same enthusiasm in seeing a sub 4 sec M5, but your methodology in post #1 is hardly scientific. BMW's official numbers always tend to be on the conservative side, plus the RWD disadvantage in launching from a stand still, a solid 4.0 sec car is still an accomplishment.
If you read my post, I explain that the times are not, in any way, scientific or exact. I agree, BMW does give conservative numbers, as they did with the E60 M5.

2016 BMW ///M5 INDIVIDUAL {Frozen Black/Bi-Color White/Black/Black Alcantara/Piano Black Trim/Contrast Stitching}
~Mods: Akrapovic Exhaust, OEM Charcoal Filter Delete, P3 Vent Gauge, V1
avlnch is offline  
Reply

Bookmarks

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW M5 Forum and M6 Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Linear Mode
Rate This Thread:



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Time for another G-Power SK-II install by PSI! 2006 Alpine White this time! Precision Sport E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion 108 28th May 2014 11:05 PM
Its That Time of the Year.....NY Crew Time to Wake Up! MCarRacr07 USA Northeast Forum 64 26th March 2009 06:04 AM
long time reader, first time customer empire E60 M5 and E61 M5 Touring Discussion 5 1st September 2008 09:26 PM
CLS SIXTY-Five AMG!!! alpywhite GTBoard.com: General Sportscars 14 9th December 2005 03:13 AM
I think it's time to stop attemps at track time in the beast TiAgM5Miami E39 M5 and E52 Z8 Discussion 1 26th January 2004 04:20 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome