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post #1 of 110 Old 9th August 2010, 11:02 AM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Rumour on Gintani

I received this info from several indepent from each other sources:

"The tuner Gintani uses "XX" tuning AKA "XXXXX" stole the G power M3 software from a local M3 and sold it to Gintani, thats what they use to run their supercharged E9X M3's. They tried to use the G Power M5 software in their project supercharged M5 but the design was too far off so it never worked right and im told the customer who's car they were using demanded it be put back to stock."

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post #2 of 110 Old 9th August 2010, 11:45 AM
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I talked to that Alex guy in Gintani , i think he is a good person.I hope they didn't do that!
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I hope this Board only allows posts concerning Gintani( or any accused for that matter) to be checked for authenticity and purpose/agenda. That is, keep it to first hand experience and not rumors or "I heard it thru the grapevine, aka. internet".
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Something like this would be hard to prove. FWIW tuner's are always trying to look at the others guys stuff and claim what they think they see or don't see and what usually follows is conjecture, speculation, accusations, etc., they always think the other guys stole their software, lol, some have even claimed that a very well respected known tuner ran "stock" software on their FI kit. It is a probably a crime to tamper with the ECU in the 1st place, but the hyperbole here from the usual suspects is just that, conjecture and innuendo, not for the community's sake I'm afraid, but for their own agendas.

Gustav,

Here's one way to see if there's any merit to your "calculated" post here, motors can fail, it happens, but I know of three cars that ran the Gpower M3 kit, all the cars blew up within a short period of time. I know of several cars running the Gintani kit, including myself, most of these kits have thousands of miles on them, so far the motors are all intact, some running 9+psi and Meth. Gpower blamed Meth for one of the three failures, this rumor has been proven false as well, FWIW AA runs Meth too.

I think that might be one SOLID indication the software between the two kits are quite different. Another solid indicator is that the DCT cars are not the same, there's never been a Gpower DCT car here in CA, so how did they tune those cars to run properly, etc. if they used Gpower's 6MT file?

Do you have any idea how good OE tuning is? Have you read the reviews in the car community? M3 owners are very happy with his tuning, the AMG world is very safisfied with his work as well. Who else has a "file switcher" where you can choose between two ECU files on a BMW? Did it ever occur to you and others that this guy is very good and capable at what he does and that he doesn't need to copy other companies files, and why would he if that particular tune blew up motors?

Having said that I give major props to Gpower for stepping up and paying for the blown motors, but it's very well known in the FI M3 community that their software was the problem and needed fixing, I believe they turned to another tuner for help, if they have fixed the problem, that's good news as the hardware on the gpower kit is outstanding, and they certainly have ran some very fast "verified" Vbox times.

As far as the Hurricane M5 claims, when did Gintani have a Gpower M5 hurricane in their shop? How in the world would they get that software?


Herocina,

Alex is a great guy who works hard and from what I've personally experienced, his M3 kit works great, I've got over 6K on it so far. FWIW all the Gintani Supercharger detractors told me the DCT wouldn't work, the car couldn't handle the boost it's etc., that "I was on borrowed time," I heard this Gpower rumor a long time ago as well, but all those rumor's, like this one seem to be untrue, the car has performed that's all I care about.

The tuner wars are normally based on "rumor" hersay, etc. Having said that what should concern all of us here that favor factual, proven, impartial information, are the actions of the forum owner who posts "rumor" with the intent to hurt a company, rather than what he knows to be facts or proven.

Marinjim,

Excellent words of advice, if only the likes of you were running this forum, well said.

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I received this info from several indepent from each other sources:

"The tuner Gintani uses "XX" tuning AKA "XXXXX" stole the G power M3 software from a local M3 and sold it to Gintani, thats what they use to run their supercharged E9X M3's. They tried to use the G Power M5 software in their project supercharged M5 but the design was too far off so it never worked right and im told the customer who's car they were using demanded it be put back to stock."

Anyone care to weigh in?
The M5 that was used was sold/returned after being put back to stock

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Here is a post off another forum referring to Gustav's post here, it is from one of the Gpower owners Gustav is referring too -

http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...5388#post45388

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I stumbled across this

https://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e90...r-gintani.html



LOL so my question is IF this supposedly happened then how the **** would Gintani get a G-power tune on their car before the two G-power owners that supposedly "gave up the tune" even got the ******* kit?

Why the **** would Gustav post this without real proof? Where is the real proof anyway? And if this really happened then the only two cars ( I was one of them) they could have possibly lifted the tune from both blew their motors so how would that help Gintani?

One other question how are all the gintani cars running so great on PUMP 91 gas without any problems for so many miles on various boost settings without issues.

These pricks starting these rumors have less brains then my *******. One thing I could say my car lasted 3 ******* weeks with the kit. Josh only lasted longer merely cause he had a lower boost kit then me but once he got the upgrade his motor died within 2 weeks. And the other G-power car I drove only ran good on race gas and once it was warmed up. It had severe cold star issues and dropped into limp mode almost daily on coldstart so if gintani had "stole" these garbage tunes all of the cars would have the same issues its that simple.

Oh well all this hater **** will stop soon enough I know Gintani is now being sold at a BMW dealer on brand new BMW's in Europe now. So I guess they know their **** enough.

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Here is a post off another forum referring to Gustav's post here, it is from one of the Gpower owners Gustav is referring too -
Hehe, that post is hilarious. Look at the post and you already see the difference between the two forums.

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Hehe, that post is hilarious. Look at the post and you already see the difference between the two forums.
Eloy, approach is one thing but posting conjecture and rumor is hardly a merit, lol, I find this thread and parts of your akra vs. rpi thread, hilarious as well.

But it's hard to argue some of it, I've had great success with the Gintani X-pipe utilizing OEM muffer as well.

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Here is a post off another forum referring to Gustav's post here, it is from one of the Gpower owners Gustav is referring too -

Bimmerboost - BMW Performance
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Eloy, approach is one thing but posting conjecture and rumor is hardly a merit, lol, I find this thread and parts of your akra vs. rpi thread, hilarious as well.

But it's hard to argue some of it, I've had great success with the Gintani X-pipe utilizing OEM muffer as well.
As long as you approach things with an open mind, there is always something to learn. I have no doubt about your set up working well. There is a lot that goes on behind the doors in this industry. This is why I do things right or dont do it at all. So, when the truth comes out, I NEVER worry about it because I'v done things right. Either way, some things are meant to be kept behind the doors. IM NOT SAYING IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. I am simply saying there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes.

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