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post #1 of 8 Old 5th April 2019, 05:45 PM Thread Starter
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First track day in the M5

Well I finally got my e60 M5 out for a track day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIPTmZXemU&t=13s Mute the audio! someday I will figure out how to pump the engine noise in.

For the record I has the traction control on and the HP set at 400. The car drove well with no real problems and down the straight shifting at 7K the car sounds like a dream. Due to the fact that the car is new to me I figured better to leave the DSC on for now. Most drivers agreed that you leave it on and watch the light. If you are smooth and the light stays off most of the time you can tray turning it off. My light was going bat **** crazy!

Most of the time the car would understeer but in fine BMW fashion it was very controllable. Just lift on the gas and pull the nose into the apex and then smash the gas and watch the DSC light flash. The Mich. sport comp AS3 did a fine job of gripping and not doing anything crazy. Just as with the E38 I need a better seat belt. I was getting thrown all over the car. Funny thing was on the track I'm flying all over the cockpit and when I would park and open the door and the bolsters would retract. It was like they were squeezing the life out of me.

I did learn some new things and find new crazy areas on the track. The car gets to about 130pmh at the end of the front straight which is up 10-15mph over the E38. The instructor advised me to not downshift in turn one and then brake hard and double downshift for turn two up the hill. Holy crap! just by not downshifting it was like a slingshot out of turn one. I almost ran off the track a few times. Another thing I learned is that even if you can late brake that doesn't mean that you should. With higher speeds, a modestly lighter car and better brakes I started braking later. It is one of the best ways to cut your time and has a way larger effect than any amount of horsepower. In any case with higher speeds and later braking I discovered crazy uneven parts of the track that the e38 did not reveal. Into turn 11 up the hill heavy braking from 100+ down to about 30 had the rear of the car jumping all over the track. Of course with the front end loaded and doing most of the work I did maintain control and only blew out the corner once. On the other hand late braking into turn 13 was not so friendly. about 30ft from the corner the road drops away a bit. If you are going slower it's just fine. If you are going faster you launch right off. The front end unloads and you lose almost all of your braking. When I did it i think I soiled myself a little. I ended up right at the outer edge of the tarmac and never braked that late again for that turn. I may try to review the video and see if I can find it?

At the end of the day the car is fast, has great brakes and in fine BMW fashion is very well behaved on the track. The biggest surprise is that it is not that much better than my E38. Everyone including myself has been surprised at how fast my living room is. Now that I have driven a supposedly faster, better car I am more impressed with the E38. The lap time difference is about 3 three seconds but IMO the E38 is just as much fun to drive as the e60 M5. Come on out and be a madman and have some fun!
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Nice! Did your e38 have all season tires too, or any upgrades?

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". . . pull the nose into the apex and then smash the gas. . . The Mich. sport comp AS3 . . ."


That might give you some insight as to why your traction control was going off all day :p

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Well I finally got my e60 M5 out for a track day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tIPTmZXemU&t=13s Mute the audio! someday I will figure out how to pump the engine noise in.

For the record I has the traction control on and the HP set at 400. The car drove well with no real problems and down the straight shifting at 7K the car sounds like a dream. Due to the fact that the car is new to me I figured better to leave the DSC on for now. Most drivers agreed that you leave it on and watch the light. If you are smooth and the light stays off most of the time you can tray turning it off. My light was going bat **** crazy!

Most of the time the car would understeer but in fine BMW fashion it was very controllable. Just lift on the gas and pull the nose into the apex and then smash the gas and watch the DSC light flash. The Mich. sport comp AS3 did a fine job of gripping and not doing anything crazy. Just as with the E38 I need a better seat belt. I was getting thrown all over the car. Funny thing was on the track I'm flying all over the cockpit and when I would park and open the door and the bolsters would retract. It was like they were squeezing the life out of me.

I did learn some new things and find new crazy areas on the track. The car gets to about 130pmh at the end of the front straight which is up 10-15mph over the E38. The instructor advised me to not downshift in turn one and then brake hard and double downshift for turn two up the hill. Holy crap! just by not downshifting it was like a slingshot out of turn one. I almost ran off the track a few times. Another thing I learned is that even if you can late brake that doesn't mean that you should. With higher speeds, a modestly lighter car and better brakes I started braking later. It is one of the best ways to cut your time and has a way larger effect than any amount of horsepower. In any case with higher speeds and later braking I discovered crazy uneven parts of the track that the e38 did not reveal. Into turn 11 up the hill heavy braking from 100+ down to about 30 had the rear of the car jumping all over the track. Of course with the front end loaded and doing most of the work I did maintain control and only blew out the corner once. On the other hand late braking into turn 13 was not so friendly. about 30ft from the corner the road drops away a bit. If you are going slower it's just fine. If you are going faster you launch right off. The front end unloads and you lose almost all of your braking. When I did it i think I soiled myself a little. I ended up right at the outer edge of the tarmac and never braked that late again for that turn. I may try to review the video and see if I can find it?

At the end of the day the car is fast, has great brakes and in fine BMW fashion is very well behaved on the track. The biggest surprise is that it is not that much better than my E38. Everyone including myself has been surprised at how fast my living room is. Now that I have driven a supposedly faster, better car I am more impressed with the E38. The lap time difference is about 3 three seconds but IMO the E38 is just as much fun to drive as the e60 M5. Come on out and be a madman and have some fun!
I hear you on the seats.

What I do when I track my e60...While I'm sitting in my seat, I move back and recline my driver's seat as far back as possible. With my seatbelt on and lying on my back, I yank and lock my seatbelt -- in the tightest possible position with my right hand. With my left hand, I hit my "Memory 2" button, which will slide my seat (way)forward and return my seat to the upright position.

Because I've locked my seatbelt with my seat in the furthest possible position, as the seat moves forward and up, my locked seatbelt remains locked, and continues to snug up, as the seat returns to my driving position. It's not as good as a 6-point, but it does keep me from flying around the cockpit.

~Woody

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". . . pull the nose into the apex and then smash the gas. . . The Mich. sport comp AS3 . . ."


That might give you some insight as to why your traction control was going off all day :p
The AS3 are very capable tires. Used them back to back with BFG R1s, and while there's an obvious difference it's not like the AS3 are garbage...

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I hear you on the seats.

What I do when I track my e60...While I'm sitting in my seat, I move back and recline my driver's seat as far back as possible. With my seatbelt on and lying on my back, I yank and lock my seatbelt -- in the tightest possible position with my right hand. With my left hand, I hit my "Memory 2" button, which will slide my seat (way)forward and return my seat to the upright position.

Because I've locked my seatbelt with my seat in the furthest possible position, as the seat moves forward and up, my locked seatbelt remains locked, and continues to snug up, as the seat returns to my driving position. It's not as good as a 6-point, but it does keep me from flying around the cockpit.
I've heard this trick before, will have to try it at the next trackday.
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The AS3 are very capable tires. Used them back to back with BFG R1s, and while there's an obvious difference it's not like the AS3 are garbage...



I've heard this trick before, will have to try it at the next trackday.
You really have to lock it in...otherwise, as soon as you loose tension, it will reset itself.

~Woody

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The AS3 are very capable tires. Used them back to back with BFG R1s, and while there's an obvious difference it's not like the AS3 are garbage...

I didn't say or mean to imply that the AS3s were garbage, but as an all-season they are absolutely limited in what they are capable of. My car had AS3s on it when I bought it and there was a significant difference when I moved to PSSs. My comment was more aimed at his corner exit strategy though

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I have been taking the E38 to the track and systematically upgrading it. Brakes, tires, camber and recently springs, 3.15 diff, sway bars and more power. I started on Nittos and currently have Conti extreme sport contacts on the track wheels. The first thing I added was the four point belt, as soon as you don't have to hold on the driving gets much more consistent.

I'm sure that as I gain experience in the M5 I will get better at driving it. I still have an extra 100hp to tap as well as gaining control of the rear wheels to put the power down.
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