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post #11 of 25 Old 30th March 2019, 06:22 AM
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I just wanted to share some thoughts as ive driven the car a little more. The car is capable of of great speed. The manner in which it gets there is lacking to me a little. I think there are a few reasons for this which i will highlight. The first thing is the weight of the car.
4,000lbs is not conducive to exhilarating performance.
Next, the 6speed that is mated to the car.
The s85 makes its power up top, now pair a top end screamer with long gears and you have yourself a boring missle. Give her some space and a few seconds and youll be casually doing 140 with out even thinking about it. But getting to the 140 is a little lackluster. By the time you get the car into the powerband youre taking it right back down with the gears that are just too long. Leaving yourself in the next gear waiting to get that rush again. While thats great and all, it leads you into a 140 mile per hour pull and well you just cant be doing that everytime you want to show your friends/family what your m5 is about. This leads to me the e39. A torquey grunter. Loads of bottom end tq. This makes for fun pulls without having to get yourself into license suspending speeds to put a smile on your face. The e39 has nearly the same tq and weight as the e60 yet feels way more alive. Now my goals for this car were for it to be an elegant and luxurious straight line machine. Nick told me i should just buy a newer m5/6 with the s63. While easy to make power straight out of the box and achieve my goals, i think the s85 chassis car is a diamond in the rough.
The slick top and exhaust should shed atleast 150-175 lb. I may and try to remove some sound deadening and see where that takes me. I dont want to lose too much refinement though. Pair that with full bolt ons which would hopefully bring me to a healthy 600bhp. The only thing that i am unsure of is the gearing. Im not sure how i will address this yet. Im hoping that the bolt ons (higher redline) and weight loss will fix this. It will with out a doubt help it but im not sure if it would satisfy me and my goals. I think gearing will be my last resort and perfecting the car.

Im looking into maybe a e9x m3 6speed swap. I could change the final drive but idk. Im not sold on shorter diffs yet.
I loved my s62, but I always felt like I ran out of revs, and found myself bumping the rev limiter all the time — especially when I drove them back to back on the same days. Driving my s85 really reminds me of driving my s38 or any air-cooled Porsche.

Drive an s62 like an s85, and you will feel like it lacks top end. Drive an s85 like s62 or s63, and you will be disappointed.

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Look at a custom diff with more aggressive ramp angles.
Loose weight at the corners for unsprung mass, with wheels and brakes.
Find a SSK, instead of rowing a boat with each shift.
Find some larger throttle bodies.
Find better airflow.
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I just wanted to share some thoughts as ive driven the car a little more. The car is capable of of great speed. The manner in which it gets there is lacking to me a little. I think there are a few reasons for this which i will highlight. The first thing is the weight of the car.
4,000lbs is not conducive to exhilarating performance.
Next, the 6speed that is mated to the car.
The s85 makes its power up top, now pair a top end screamer with long gears and you have yourself a boring missle. Give her some space and a few seconds and youll be casually doing 140 with out even thinking about it. But getting to the 140 is a little lackluster. By the time you get the car into the powerband youre taking it right back down with the gears that are just too long. Leaving yourself in the next gear waiting to get that rush again. While thats great and all, it leads you into a 140 mile per hour pull and well you just cant be doing that everytime you want to show your friends/family what your m5 is about. This leads to me the e39. A torquey grunter. Loads of bottom end tq. This makes for fun pulls without having to get yourself into license suspending speeds to put a smile on your face. The e39 has nearly the same tq and weight as the e60 yet feels way more alive. Now my goals for this car were for it to be an elegant and luxurious straight line machine. Nick told me i should just buy a newer m5/6 with the s63. While easy to make power straight out of the box and achieve my goals, i think the s85 chassis car is a diamond in the rough.
The slick top and exhaust should shed atleast 150-175 lb. I may and try to remove some sound deadening and see where that takes me. I dont want to lose too much refinement though. Pair that with full bolt ons which would hopefully bring me to a healthy 600bhp. The only thing that i am unsure of is the gearing. Im not sure how i will address this yet. Im hoping that the bolt ons (higher redline) and weight loss will fix this. It will with out a doubt help it but im not sure if it would satisfy me and my goals. I think gearing will be my last resort and perfecting the car.

Im looking into maybe a e9x m3 6speed swap. I could change the final drive but idk. Im not sold on shorter diffs yet.
Just be aware the 6 speed were added on to this car only for america.
The ROW didnít get 6 speeds transmission.
This car was build around the 7 SMG transmisssion.
When it came out it was the fastest saloon on the planet.
E39 is different car different engine...it was built around the 6 speed.
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If you want low end torque this car is not made for this....Itís made for Top high speed.
Remember this is a F1 derived engine...pushed it will go to 200 .
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well 7spd SMG doesn't have problems you describe. I also looked for 6spd when I was looking and bought 7spd due to availability at the time. I don't regret that one bit! compared to my friend's M6, it keeps the engine more in the powerband.

now, the ULTIMATE would be 7 speed with hydraulic pump delete with manual clutch and manual shifter. but our H pattern isn't the standard 1-2-3-4-5-6-7/reverse. i will say i would pay a few thousands for a solution that would allow hydraulic pump delete on smg, and i don't think i'm alone in this.
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Is a slicktop conversion realistic on these cars? Unlike the M3's that came with an optional CF roof, these never had that from the factory. Maybe if you sourced a roof from an M6 it could be done but it would be 100% custom fab.
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Reading your thoughts reminded me of why I ultimately went with the e39 M5 over the e90 M3. In Virginia, it's literally reckless driving over 80 mph (jail time) so I didn't want something that could get me in trouble. The e39 gives me all the power I want down low and I don't have to reach jail time speeds to feel the power.
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i really think the 7speed compliments the stock powerband wonderfully. The extra gear gives you that luxury. That being said i dont think a shorter diff is the be all end all solution. I think the gearing on the 6speed could be a perfect combination...for a car with about 200 less pounds and 100-150 more bhp haha. Im hoping less weight and more power will livin the gears up enough to put me back in my seat and still stay higher in the band, or just get there quickly enough to make the accelaration moe exciting.
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Is a slicktop conversion realistic on these cars? Unlike the M3's that came with an optional CF roof, these never had that from the factory. Maybe if you sourced a roof from an M6 it could be done but it would be 100% custom fab.
Or i could just buy a slick top e60 rood panel. Whether from an m5 or a base model 5 series.
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S85 was built for SMG. 6-speed was an afterthought for US market. They just grabbed a 6MT that was available and made it work. No surprise there really.

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S85 was built for SMG. 6-speed was an afterthought for US market. They just grabbed a 6MT that was available and made it work. No surprise there really.
I dont think they did a bad job in matching the 6 speed to the car. I think they did the best they could imo. But their best isnt my best. You can only do so much when you lose a whole gear. Yes, the car was rd for 7spd but that doesnt mean the 6spd cant be livened up. I personally like long gears makes things suspensful. There is only so much you can do as far as the gearing go. Everything with gearing is a sacrafice one way or the other. I dont see a reason to start changing the gearing on the car until all other options have been exhausted. (Pun intended) one way to liven gears up is more power and less weight. So im going to start there and see what happens. A 6spd is a good start to less weight 🙂


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