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post #11 of 41 Old 25th March 2019, 12:40 AM
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Well, I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of hate for this... I'm with you.

As much as I love my M6 6sp vert, these cars are fundamentally flawed and I think an engine swap (non BMW) is a brilliant idea. Imagine not dreading thr chime, an engine you're not worried about every time you start it, something that you're not "preventatively" replacing CRITICAL engine components to avoid the grenade scenario, something that at least somewhat RESEMBLES reliability.

Me? I'm plannning to do rod bearings this spring and to drive my car for one summer and if that goes well, maybe a second summer. If, the expected happens and something catastrophic happens to this engine made of glass, I'll NEVER replace it with another s85... Yes it's amazing, yes it sounds glorious, but let's be honest, it's a horribly flawed engine. In 2007 (my MY) it was untouchable in terms or power and performance but reliability, give me a break - the idea of taking this thing on a long road trip is a joke and shame on BMW for what this has turned into. It's a lab experiment that should never have seen production. The S85 is beta at best!!! Vanos pump, vanos solenoids, rod bearings, throttle actuators, injectors, SMG.... What doesn't fail on these that doesn't cost thousands to replace?

Enter the LS SWAP!!! (Yeah I heard the groan...)

IMHO, swapping it with something you know you can count on, is the only thing that makes sense if you love the look, the handling and want SOME reliability. Even an unreliable engine swap would be better than the perpetual expectation of failure of the S85... Alternatively if you have more money than you know what to do with or you're just a masochist who loves to watch your guilty pleasure leave on a flatbed, while you "Burn My Wallet" (BMW life) by all means keep spending money to keep the pin in your S85 grenade, but only just... You'll suffer eventually.

Sloppy mechanics gets 900HP on a with a junkyard LS with a new cam and a turbo, surely a marginal increase in component quality could yeild happiness for E6# owners too.

I'm not naive and of course this is a huge job and subbing this job out to someone would be very expensive but if you're willing to learn and integratethings that were never meant to work together anything is possible, as long as you ignore the naysayers you can make anything happen. FTW! And FBMW! (Last one I'll ever own)

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If you are going to do something like this, at least have the courtesy to do it to a non-WBS chassis. A 530i or similar would be appropriate.
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post #12 of 41 Old 25th March 2019, 01:08 AM
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I respect that, but why? Do you honestly think that these cars will ever be worth anything more than the pathetic 20-30K that they are now? Anyone who knows anything about them knows that they're "an amazing car but you'd be crazy to own one".

I know I have a unicorn, but ive struggled with this. 1 of 378 manual M6 verts, but if it grenades, would it make sense for me to sell it for peanuts in broken albeit original condition instead of having it live on with an engine that would actually last and outperform the original just because?

Just creating dialogue here, obviously I bought the car because I loved it but where do you draw the line?

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This whole thread is some serious bait.. Well played, well played.

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Was the HP vanos line replaced when you had the RB's done previously? It may be that i/o the pump as they tend to fail first. The S65 is more or less the same motor, with the same issues as the 85.

Oh, and a new OEM vanos pump from ECStuning is $3300..........

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3300 bucks for a pump. Let it sink in for a minute.

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3300 bucks for a pump. Let it sink in for a minute.

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3300 bucks for a pump. Let it sink in for a minute.

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even worse from here. 1 AUD = 0.70 USD's. So they'd cost AU$4700, plus GST ($470) so 5 thousand Australian peso's. And BMW sold the Monster here for $240,000. Crazy world.

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I have to laugh at people saying the parts for these cars are expensive. Well, this was a $100K+ car derived using F1 tech back at the time, and people who paid such dough for them then could easily afford a few $4-5K repairs if needed. All of us, except for original owners (if such still exist) are not BMWs target market with this car.

So yeah, the parts are not cheap, considering these are $20K cars now. If you are so afraid they are going to break, sell the car. Take a loss, move on. Don't make Frankenmonsters with garbage motors out of the m-cars. There are plenty of cheap 5 and 6 series that can be used for this.

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I have to laugh at people saying the parts for these cars are expensive. Well, this was a $100K+ car derived using F1 tech back at the time, and people who paid such dough for them then could easily afford a few $4-5K repairs if needed. All of us, except for original owners (if such still exist) are not BMWs target market with this car.

So yeah, the parts are not cheap, considering these are $20K cars now. If you are so afraid they are going to break, sell the car. Take a loss, move on. Don't make Frankenmonsters with garbage motors out of the m-cars. There are plenty of cheap 5 and 6 series that can be used for this.
I'm just making an observation of fact. We do still exist. I bought mine new and don't plan on selling it ever. Having tested dozens of cars over the years nothing comes close. Even newer M models imho.

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I have to laugh at people saying the parts for these cars are expensive. Well, this was a $100K+ car derived using F1 tech back at the time, and people who paid such dough for them then could easily afford a few $4-5K repairs if needed. All of us, except for original owners (if such still exist) are not BMWs target market with this car.



So yeah, the parts are not cheap, considering these are $20K cars now. If you are so afraid they are going to break, sell the car. Take a loss, move on. Don't make Frankenmonsters with garbage motors out of the m-cars. There are plenty of cheap 5 and 6 series that can be used for this.
Laugh if you like, but I'm sorry, the price for parts is stupid, plain and simple. For no reason other than they can be and people will buy them. It's disgraceful.

I'll admit, bought my car for the engine and for the sound and feeling of driving it, but let's be real.... People should do what they want! It's metal with other rotating metal inside it. Hell, if by some miracle of reverse economics these things increase in value, people who "frankenmonster" a few with reliable engines will increase the value of those who kept them "pure". Honestly, you think if some poor schmuck throws a rod and has finally had it with the made from glass S85, you think he should give the car away for nothing and buy a 530 to Frankenstein instead? To what? Keep the breed pure?!?! Why? Because it's so precious? C'mon.....

Here's a thought... Let's say I have 1000 Blackberry shares. In 2008 they were worth $148 CAD/share but through the wonder of depreciation and horrible design, today they're only worth $12.12... Should I keep putting money into it and pretend they're still worth 148K?

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