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post #11 of 34 Old 30th January 2019, 07:18 PM
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post #12 of 34 Old 31st January 2019, 01:30 PM
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No unfortunately the stretches of roads we were on were not well suited to such a comparison. That being said, we did once accelerate side by side a few weeks ago entering a highway and it was pretty close for the first two gears, with the M3 taking a half a car length jump at gear-change.

I have of course heard much about Evolve, however I have not read much into the details of their tune. Any feedback on how the throttle response is affected?

The weight of the M5 is it's weakness, it shines at higher speeds do to power and aero dynamics.

Also tunes and feels are extremely deceiving. as state earlier with electronic throttles a tuner or mfg can make things feel faster than they actually are. You perceive the changes in acceleration and your brain uses what it thinks your foot is doing as feedback. It's very easy to trick a person that way. It's why I LOL when people talk about "tunes" with out a before and after dyno.

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How are the 888r's in damp conditions, or rain for that matter?



I doubt your beast see's any salt or snow !


Thanks man. Honestly in heavier rain (been caught twice in it) and drive fine but yes in damp condition it could get slick.

And yup your correct Iíve NEVER driven this car in the snow or salt lol. I prefer to keep it super clean and immaculate lol


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Yep MDM and stock setting feel the same to me. I cannot let the rear loose with MDM setting in any condition. I just leave the traction control off. The car is so long and heavy that when it loses rear end, it's almost in slow motion. Just let go of the steering wheel, give it a little bit of gas, and it straightens out. I need to make my car louder! I can only hear my exhaust in the tunnels.. has anyone taken out their secondary catalytic converter? Was curious whether the DME would start freaking out and whether the sound would be good, not harsh....

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ferris, i kinda like the fat *** of the m5 haha. makes it easy to handle for an amateur driver. *** is so heavy that a slide is very predictable. front is also so heavy that if you're going into the corner too fast, it'll understeer quickly to the appropriate speed. i don't know man. more i drive this thing, the more i like the flawed characteristics of it. i think it's quite slow in the corners, but i find it fun.

btw, that jolt you get when you switch to the m-mode. is that mostly throttle actuator sensitivity or timing? wish they kept the throttle sensitivity the same in all modes.

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ferris, i kinda like the fat *** of the m5 haha. makes it easy to handle for an amateur driver. *** is so heavy that a slide is very predictable. front is also so heavy that if you're going into the corner too fast, it'll understeer quickly to the appropriate speed. i don't know man. more i drive this thing, the more i like the flawed characteristics of it. i think it's quite slow in the corners, but i find it fun.

btw, that jolt you get when you switch to the m-mode. is that mostly throttle actuator sensitivity or timing? wish they kept the throttle sensitivity the same in all modes.
For M mode P500 and P500s make the same power, it's only the throttle sensitivity that changes, so if you prefer the regular throttle just change up your M mode preferences in idrive.

Because of the general shitty roads and even worse traffic around DC, I leave it on P500. No need for a twitchy throttle in stop and go.
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Just because I had it open when I got the thread email, here is the difference btw sport and normal x is rpm y for simplicity is pedal.
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Yep MDM and stock setting feel the same to me. I cannot let the rear loose with MDM setting in any condition. I just leave the traction control off. The car is so long and heavy that when it loses rear end, it's almost in slow motion. Just let go of the steering wheel, give it a little bit of gas, and it straightens out. I need to make my car louder! I can only hear my exhaust in the tunnels.. has anyone taken out their secondary catalytic converter? Was curious whether the DME would start freaking out and whether the sound would be good, not harsh....
You need to code competition mdm. It's good enough to leave it on at the track.
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Just because I had it open when I got the thread email, here is the difference btw sport and normal x is rpm y for simplicity is pedal.
So am I right in summarizing that in Sport the torque requested (throttle pedal) and torque demanded has a direct 1:1 relation, and in the Normal setting below 20% torque request and 2000 rpm engine speed, the normal setting trims the torque demand, yet above that it increases the torque demand? That is very strange.
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