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post #21 of 71 Old 29th November 2018, 10:28 PM
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If you have a winter set, why are you running around with allseasons? People only do that when they don't wanna spend the money for winter tires.

IMO even for a DD a good set of summers makes a huge difference, we've had ventus v12s and PSS on our cars. Even "high performance" allseasons get greasy running around chicago in the summer - conti DWS was especially bad in that regard, my m3 felt like it was driving on butter.

It makes no sense to me to use an expensive tire that will last 10k miles when driving to the office or to get groceries. Waste of money. The AS3s don't get greasy even at the track. First time I've heard anybody say tires get greasy doing city driving, let alone CHI traffic. The R1s got greasy at the track due to lower pressures / higher temps (expected - sort of). I have my DD tires (AS3+, soon to be conti ext sport - summer tire yeah I know), a snow set, and had a track setup (sold and looking to get another set).
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just out of curiosity, do you guys really think e60 m5 handles well? i mean it's a great cruiser, but it's so nose heavy. it understeers worse than some front wheel drive acura's or even newer camry's. i also have stickies in all 4 corners. i think it's fun to toss around heavy car that inherently understeers in RWD format with LSD. as for actual handling, this ain't a great 'handling' car. i also don't find margin of error wide like some mazda's. it may be a fun car, but definitely not a handling car. some heavy cars don't feel heavy, but you can certainly feel the weight on e60 m5.

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just out of curiosity, do you guys really think e60 m5 handles well? i mean it's a great cruiser, but it's so nose heavy. it understeers worse than some front wheel drive acura's or even newer camry's. i also have stickies in all 4 corners. i think it's fun to toss around heavy car that inherently understeers in RWD format with LSD. as for actual handling, this ain't a great 'handling' car. i also don't find margin of error wide like some mazda's. it may be a fun car, but definitely not a handling car. some heavy cars don't feel heavy, but you can certainly feel the weight on e60 m5.
Same thoughts. Swap to E64 sways, get a square setup and it becomes waaay better.
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Yeah, it's not an ideal track car, but that doesn't mean you can't have an absolute blast with one while you're out there.



So... Do you have any chance to experience JColley's DCT test kit?
If you have, how was the feeling?
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just out of curiosity, do you guys really think e60 m5 handles well? i mean it's a great cruiser, but it's so nose heavy. it understeers worse than some front wheel drive acura's or even newer camry's. i also have stickies in all 4 corners. i think it's fun to toss around heavy car that inherently understeers in RWD format with LSD. as for actual handling, this ain't a great 'handling' car. i also don't find margin of error wide like some mazda's. it may be a fun car, but definitely not a handling car. some heavy cars don't feel heavy, but you can certainly feel the weight on e60 m5.


Stiffer sways will dial out the understeer. Your front tires will thank you.

Monoballs will help with sharper turn in.

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It makes no sense to me to use an expensive tire that will last 10k miles when driving to the office or to get groceries. Waste of money. The AS3s don't get greasy even at the track. First time I've heard anybody say tires get greasy doing city driving, let alone CHI traffic. The R1s got greasy at the track due to lower pressures / higher temps (expected - sort of). I have my DD tires (AS3+, soon to be conti ext sport - summer tire yeah I know), a snow set, and had a track setup (sold and looking to get another set).
If you're going through tires that quick, odds are it's an alignment issue. IIRC pilot super sports have 25K mile thread life warranty; on the wife's car we've got about 20K miles on the v12 evos and they still have like 5-6mm of thread left.

On a sunny 85+ degree day, the bends in 94 around Jefferson Park are a great way to check out the greasy thing - the road surface is pretty dark there and you'll for sure feel it at speed.

Just out of curiosity, what did you end up doing with your sway bars? I just pulled the trigger on an E64 rear one (can't beat $75 delivered on carpart.com), wondering what to expect with monoballs and 295s in the rear.

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[QUOTE=moofasa;7532476

So... Do you have any chance to experience JColley's DCT test kit?
If you have, how was the feeling?[/QUOTE]
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The swap is still in process. It's a massive undertaking, but there have been some big steps forward recently. Hopefully it'll be wrapped up soon.

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If you're going through tires that quick, odds are it's an alignment issue. IIRC pilot super sports have 25K mile thread life warranty; on the wife's car we've got about 20K miles on the v12 evos and they still have like 5-6mm of thread left.

On a sunny 85+ degree day, the bends in 94 around Jefferson Park are a great way to check out the greasy thing - the road surface is pretty dark there and you'll for sure feel it at speed.

Just out of curiosity, what did you end up doing with your sway bars? I just pulled the trigger on an E64 rear one (can't beat $75 delivered on carpart.com), wondering what to expect with monoballs and 295s in the rear.
My tire wear is even, so can't be alignment right? Also michelin mileage warranty is halved if you can't rotate front to rear (i.e. staggered). About the greasy feel it can also be the asphalt that makes for a greasy feel. If you've driven both blackhawk and autobahn you will know what I'm talking about.

E64 swaybars are as good as you can get from bmw. See my thread:
https://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e6...se-needed.html

I ran some numbers a while ago and if memory is right the E64 front is similar to an RD front close to the stiffest setting. The E64 rear is missing some stiffness compared to RD, but you can get a dinan adjustable rear if you wanted to. If you have a square setup tho (as I used at the track) there's no need for a stiffer rear IMO.

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Stiffer sways will dial out the understeer. Your front tires will thank you.

Monoballs will help with sharper turn in.

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Stiffer sways will dial out the understeer. Your front tires will thank you.

Monoballs will help with sharper turn in.

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Yup, a back to back drive with a stock M5 vs, one with the LCA monoballs and stiffer sways and springs was a night and day difference. A good alignment will help tremendously as well (I still need to do this on my car).

There's no doubt that it's a big heavy car, but I find it to be relatively neutral (with a touch of understeer, which is what I prefer for a mostly street driven car). The close to 50/50 weight distribution helps.

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