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post #1 of 13 Old 7th February 2018, 01:47 AM Thread Starter
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This the right Oil?

I ordered this kit that advertises as Castrol TWS edge professional and got EDGE Supercar

Is this the same stuff/right oil? I wasn't able to attach a picture for some reason, said max allowed size 0kb

Here is a link to comparison photo https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cbh...ew?usp=sharing
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Yes. Close enough. TWS is almost a ghost now. The supercar has the M approval.

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Sorry for all the questions, new to board and can't seem to find exactly what i'm looking for through board searches, though google has turned up a few on other forums that have seemed to suggest supercar is castrol's "now" top of the line and replaces all other products including edge tws professional. Do you know if any differences between the two as far as additives and oil thickness or withstanding to heat?
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Liqui Moly 10w60 Synthoil Race Tech GT1. That's what I would use.

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Liqui Moly 10w60 Synthoil Race Tech GT1. That's what I would use.
What if you had an extended warranty and needed to abide by BMW service bulletins? Edge TWS Professional is on latest copy I have found for the E60 M5. Not Edge Supercar.
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I use Liqui Moly Race Tech GT1 10w-60.

From my understanding on any warranty and or extended warranty, you should not have any issues as long as the "oil" you are using its compatible with the engine of use.
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Liquid Moly is probably a good oil, but shouldn't you go for the higher API i.e. Liq Moly is API SL, however Shell Helix Ultra 10w60and Castrol 10w60 are both API SM, i.e. newer.

API

This is the more basic as it is split (for passenger cars) into two catagories. S = Petrol and C = Diesel, most oils carry both petrol (S) and diesel (C) specifications.

The following table shows how up to date the specifications the oil are:

PETROL

SG - Introduced 1989 - has much more active dispersant to combat black sludge.

SH - Introduced 1993 - has same engine tests as SG, but includes phosphorus limit 0.12%, together with control of foam, volatility and shear stability.

SJ - Introduced 1996 - has the same engine tests as SG/SH, but phosphorus limit 0.10% together with variation on volatility limits

SL - Introduced 2001 - all new engine tests reflective of modern engine designs meeting current emissions standards

SM - Introduced November 2004 - improved oxidation resistance, deposit protection and wear protection, also better low temperature performance over the life of the oil compared to previous categories.


Shell:-

ACEA A3
ACEA B3
ACEA B4
API CF
API SN

Liq Molly:-

ACEA A3
ACEA B4
API CF
API SL

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Liquid Moly is probably a good oil, but shouldn't you go for the higher API i.e. Liq Moly is API SL, however Shell Helix Ultra 10w60and Castrol 10w60 are both API SM, i.e. newer.
Depends on what was improved/changed for the subsequent API class. You really only need the API class that was available in 2005/2006 when the S85 was released. Right now they're close enough that it doesn't make much of a difference. Eventually e.g. API SS, ST, STU...SZ will not be compatible.


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As for the correct Castrol TWS; I think Castrol consolidated the two (2) different 10W60 that once existed. When the S62 was released Castrol specifically sold Castrol TWS (Ten W Sixty) with M-approval this was an Ester synthetic. There was another Castrol 10W60 that was PAO based, and did not carry M-Approval. I can only recall one time here in the U.S. when the PAO oil was available, the name was: Castrol 10W60 Edge Sport, and it did not include the TWS brand, nor any BMW M-Approval or similar recommendation. Lastly the bottle design doesn't matter, they change the design based on regional and global marketing even when there is only a minor change in regulation or formulation.

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Depends on what was improved/changed for the subsequent API class. You really only need the API class that was available in 2005/2006 when the S85 was released. Right now they're close enough that it doesn't make much of a difference. Eventually e.g. API SS, ST, STU...SZ will not be compatible.


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for reference some Castrol TWS bottles throughout the years

The current Edge Supercar I received seems to have the M Approval so I'm assuming I'm good to go with what I go

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The current Edge Supercar I received seems to have the M Approval so I'm assuming I'm good to go with what I go
Yes, M-approved or Recommended for BMW M-Models is good to go. The other oil that does not include BMW Approval/M-Approval is simply a different formulation. It's not a bad formulation, just not as good as the original TWS/BMW version.
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