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post #1 of 17 Old 9th December 2004, 09:51 AM Thread Starter
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If Aston Martin can do it....

A lot of you continue to be put off by the lack of a manual gearbox option.

Aston Martin launched the new DB9 with no manual option either, but consider this:



Aston Unwraps DB9's New Box

There's been a shift in attitude at Aston Martin - the DB9 is to get an all-new manual gearbox. The move comes as a result of demand from traditionalist customers, who want this transmission instead of the sequential automatic with dash-mounted buttons.

The conventional six-speed version will join the DB9 line-up towards the middle of next year, and is expected to cost around £3,000 less than the current model.


(source: Auto Express)






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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Power to the people...

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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Repeat after me:
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can- YOU CAN DO IT BMW!

But do they have an incentive to do it?

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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Any compromise in performance? Probably not for the DB9, not a complicated engine. Can we expect reduction in price and no compromise in V10 performance? I'm not so sure yet. But thumbs up to Aston. I think choice is good!
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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Since AM is owned by Ford, there is a possibillity that you'll get the Focus 1.4 manual...

I really think that BMW as an independent car maker had to make a choice between the manual and the SMG. I don't think they want to spill money into the development of both a new manual (including a clutch for this huge power engine that can stand the torture of most of it's owners) and the further development of their SMG.
The way the engine and the SMG are build needs a total redesign for the essential parts of the car. Engine lay-out, drivetrain and weight distribution for example. I assume they choose for the ´keep the family happy and the costs for both of us acceptable´ option.

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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

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Since AM is owned by Ford, there is a possibillity that you'll get the Focus 1.4 manual...

I really think that BMW as an independent car maker had to make a choice between the manual and the SMG. I don't think they want to spill money into the development of both a new manual (including a clutch for this huge power engine that can stand the torture of most of it's owners) and the further development of their SMG.
The way the engine and the SMG are build needs a total redesign for the essential parts of the car. Engine lay-out, drivetrain and weight distribution for example. I assume they choose for the ´keep the family happy and the costs for both of us acceptable´ option.

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Oh, aside my BMW taste, Aston Martin is the next all time favorite. Would love to have an AM V8 Vantage of the 80´s
i still think that when everyone drives the SMG for a few weeks, they will love it, but their chiropractor may not (no more clutch pains)
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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

I had a DB7 with the T56 transmission. It was absolutely the best shifting transmission I have ever used. Makes the M5 box feel like junk. I don't know what they did to it, probably only the best shifter they could find. And the clutch had great feel too. I hope they continue with this transmission, it only makes sense.

I traded it for the Vanquish. The only thing I would change on the Vanquish is get rid of the paddle shifters and put in that T56. Not likely to happen, but I would take the depriciation hit on a trade it if they ever did, that's how enjoyable it was.

The DB9 has always been promised with a manual since I first talked to my dealer.

I am first on the list for a AMV8 with a manual.

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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Yes- they always said the DB9 would get a stick. The AMV8 gets either paddles or stick. No autobox.

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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

Don't forget the fact that the AM sequential gerabox sucks, whereas the BMW one shines. So, there is less motivation to offer the manual by BMW. Actually, not much reason other than nostalgic ones. Drive an SMG around a track you'll know what I mean. Well, no point in getting in to the good old discussion but I can't think of a manual car in a race series where sequential gearbox is allowed. Now, why that would be?
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Re: If Aston Martin can do it....

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Don't forget the fact that the AM sequential gerabox sucks, whereas the BMW one shines. So, there is less motivation to offer the manual by BMW. Actually, not much reason other than nostalgic ones. Drive an SMG around a track you'll know what I mean. Well, no point in getting in to the good old discussion but I can't think of a manual car in a race series where sequential gearbox is allowed. Now, why that would be?
DB9's isn't an actual sequential manual. It's just a tiptronic -- autobox w/ torque converter and user selectable gears. Regardless, Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear said this box was smoother and better than even Ferrari's F1 true smg.

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I don't think they want to spill money into the development of both a new manual (including a clutch for this huge power engine that can stand the torture of most of it's owners)
New clutch? HUH? The SMG has a clutch. Just use the same clutch as the SMG.

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