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post #11 of 978 Old 5th September 2013, 11:40 PM
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^^^Thanks Issac. Looks like your preventative maintenance will pay off. Did you ever post a BlackStone? I can't remember.


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post #12 of 978 Old 6th September 2013, 12:31 AM
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^^^Thanks Issac. Looks like your preventative maintenance will pay off. Did you ever post a BlackStone? I can't remember.

No amigo never did, i do have the kit ready to go on my next oil change though so it'll be really cool to monitor the values as i put the miles on . Ill make sure to post those as well so we can all compare. I was really suprised at the wear on the RB's im under 60k and they look this bad! I think anyone with a 60k plus on an S85 on stock rod b's really should seriously consider swapping em out unless you drive under 5k rpm's all the time but who the heck does that with this motor under the hood? If your not the original owner and your over 60,000 miles you should really consider this swap. If anyone needs an experienced shop in SoCal that can do this work shoot me a PM and ill give you the info.

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Glad you finally posted them pics Isaac

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Glad you finally posted them pics Isaac
Yeah dude i still dont have a new thread button lol i hit up jcolley hes gonna see what he can do but for the meantime he said to post them here which i think is a better idea anyway.
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Has anyone had the ID of theirs connecting rods measured? Reason I ask is that the wear pattern on the bearings seems to suggest that the tolerances are quite tight or the rod IDs are changing over time from the heat and hi-revving. If indeed the rod IDs are changing (tighter or looser) than original spec, this would suggest tolerances will be out of spec with the new bearings than from the factory. In turn, if the IDs are larger, clearances will be looser and more prone to spinning a rod bearing or if the IDs are tighter, excessive rod bearing wear would be imminent. The more I think about it, a rod and bearing change seems like it would be the more logical approach to alleviating the issues we are running into with regards to premature rod bearing wear. Of course the trade off is full engine removal which could be dramatically more expensive.

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I dont think the rods change at all i think a simple bearing swap is sufficient, its only the rob bearings that wear not the rods themselves. I'd ask DUSH to be certain.
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My rods were measured (no kinky stuff MIGHTY) and they were still within tolerance.

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Has anyone had the ID of theirs connecting rods measured? Reason I ask is that the wear pattern on the bearings seems to suggest that the tolerances are quite tight or the rod IDs are changing over time from the heat and hi-revving. If indeed the rod IDs are changing (tighter or looser) than original spec, this would suggest tolerances will be out of spec with the new bearings than from the factory. In turn, if the IDs are larger, clearances will be looser and more prone to spinning a rod bearing or if the IDs are tighter, excessive rod bearing wear would be imminent. The more I think about it, a rod and bearing change seems like it would be the more logical approach to alleviating the issues we are running into with regards to premature rod bearing wear. Of course the trade off is full engine removal which could be dramatically more expensive.
Have you read this thread? A lot of info in there and a couple of the guys did measure rods and bearings. BMW spec'd the bearing to journals tighter than Mahle's recommendation for various reasons.
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My rods were measured (no kinky stuff MIGHTY) and they were still within tolerance.
2x for me too. I was within tolerance. Zero play, like we saw in Tony's engine autopsy.

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So after some reading it still appears that the clearances are too tight and the only way to reduce wear is to run thinner oil for the street and stick with 10W60 for the track. So technically, the only way to increase tolerances based on currently available bearing options is to machine the journals.

So my question to Paul would be, were your journals machined at all to accept higher clearances?

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