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post #1 of 7 Old 27th April 2002, 02:18 AM Thread Starter
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hi everyone....greg AGAIN

well here is more info i have found for you good people...they go with the pic i posted yesterday:

well here is the full article...enjoy!!:

When BMW’s fourth-generation 5 Series rolls out at the Frankfurt motor show in September 2003 it will feature a new 380-hp, twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine. The next-generation sedan (E60) inherits many features from the latest 7 Series such as a shift-by-wire six-speed automatic, active roll stabilization and a simplified version of the iDrive system controller. BMW will follow in 2005 with a 500-hp 5.5-liter V10-powered M5 designed to provide the M5 with a direct link to BMW's F1 involvement with Williams.

The new engine is part of a range of hot turbocharged units being readied by BMW to place Munich's new mid-ranger in direct competition with the Audi S6, Jaguar S-Type R and Mercedes-Benz E500 without the additional weight brought on by slotting a large capacity V8 engine under its bonnet.

Joining the twin-turbo six in the new 5 Series line-up will be a wide range of engines. They include the recently introduced 2.0-litre inline four together with heavily upgraded versions of BMW's highly rated 2.2-, 2.5 and 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder engines. At the upper end of the lineup will be the 3.6-litre and 4.5-litre V8 engines used in the 7 Series. Already equipped with Valvetronic, they will be upgraded to include the new direct-injection system unveiled by BMW on the 760i at last year's Frankfurt motor show.

Details remain scarce 18 months out from launch, though sources at BMW's R&D center say the twin-turbo six will provide a sporty sedan variant of the new 5 Series with performance on par with the M5. That means 0-60 mph acceleration in the 5.5-second range and an electronically limited 155 mph top speed. The best part, however, is the news that the new BMW will cost a good deal less than today's M5.

The fourth generation 5 Series will have its work cut out emulating the success of today's car, which until the arrival of Mercedes-Benz's new E-class had dominated the toughly fought executive car ranks. Still, BMW looks to have done its homework with the new car, providing it with advanced new hybrid construction together with hi-tech underpinnings, sporty new styling and the breadth of performance to match even the keenest of rivals. These sketches, supplied by BMW's own design team in Munich, expose the appearance of the new car, which will also be sold in touring guise from early 2004. Easing fears the new car would simply be a scaled down version of the controversial 7 Series, they reveal a svelte new shape that's aimed at countering criticism of today's conservatively styled model, which dates back to 1995.

The overall look is modern and aggressive, in keeping with BMW's design chief Chris Bangle's aim to get away from what he dubs the "one sausage in different lengths" appearance that has characterized the German car maker's line-up in recent years. Shapely headlamps that wrap back into the leading edge, a classy interpretation of BMW's classic kidney grille and a heavily contoured bonnet dominate the high mounted front-end to give the car instant presence.

A heavily raked windscreen combines with a wildly curved roofline and notchback-style rear end to set up a coupe-like silhouette. BMW's own artwork reveals the boot is high but less imposing than that seen on the new 7 Series.

Other features include a sharp swage along the side running from the headlamps back to the curvy tail lamps along with an unusual surface treatment that uses a mixture of convex and concave forms to provide what Bangle describes as "visual movement" when light falls on the car.

Dimensionally, the new 5 Series does not stray too far from today's car with only a moderate increase in length, width and height. The biggest change is the slight wheelbase increase, which should mean improved levels of interior accommodation, especially in the rear where legroom needs improving if the new BMW is to match the executive class competition for space.

Underneath its stylish bodywork, the new 5 Series gets advanced hybrid construction in a bid to shed weight provide even better handling response than today's highly lauded model. The front section is based around a lightweight aluminum space frame. The new approach lends expertise from the limited volume Z8 and upcoming Rolls Royce - both of which boast full space frame construction. The remainder is conventional monocoque, though the liberal use of lightweight steel, tailored blanks and a high percentage of aluminum within the (MacPherson strut front and multi-link rear) suspension will result in a lower overall weight than today's 5 Series, insiders say.

Underpinning the new 5 Series is a brand new rear-wheel drive platform that shares many components with that used underneath the 7 Series. Although going without the brake-by-wire stoppers used by the Mercedes-Benz E-class, the new BMW will still offer a host of advanced features. Among them a revolutionary new steering system from ZF that automatically corrects the angle of the front wheels in hefty side winds and under heavy braking for improved traction.

Also earmarked for upper end models are the automatic damping control and dynamic drive systems launched on the 7 Series late last year. Following heavy criticism of the much vaunted iDrive system unveiled on its flagship saloon, BMW has overhauled it for use in the new 5 Series. Insiders say the celebrated rotary dial will remain an integral part of the overall interior package. However, it will be combined with an improved menu, with features such as stability and traction control accessible through a simple press of a button rather than a long scroll through the iDrive's system.


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E12->E28->E34->E39-> That makes the E60 the fifth generation instead of the fourth.

The 3.0 litre twin turbo sounds interesting. If torque level is on par with the B10BT, this will be an amazing car.


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What would the torque curve look like on the supercharged engine?

The torque over the RPM of the 5-liter V8 is amazingly flat from 1500 - 4500, at around 85%, if I am not mistaken.
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With today's engine management systems the torque curve of the Bi-turbo engine has every potential to be as flat / even flatter than NA engines (especially with variable turbocharger geometry as in BMW's diesel engines).

I find it interesting to see that various sources are leaking info about a bi-turbo engine because BMW's engineers have always talked about the superior character of NA engines (something I've always taken valid). So if they are really going ahead with this they're probably going to make it as close in character to a NA engine as possible - but much more powerful of course
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rear end

The front looks ok. But from behind, well, let me tell you a story....

I took my daughter to a birthday party the other day at a place north of Boston called "Curious Creatures". They have all sorts of bizarre animals which they care for, and show the kids (birds, bugs, reptiles, fish--the works).

Anyway, there was this one large iguana who'd been in a fight with another iguana and been bitten in the tail. His tail became infected and had to be amputated. So there he was this gorgeous lizard with just a stump behind his rear legs.

His rear end looked a lot like the one of the 5 series in the above picture.

Good news: the iguana's tail may well grow back.

Bad news:
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I really like it. Interesting on the turbo engine. If they are really doing it- I think its safe to guess that they must feel the pressure from MB supercharging and they dont want to add more weight. Just imagine, you can get a new 5 that accelerates in similar time to the current M5! Imagine what the E60 M5 will do!

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Originally posted by MEnthusiast
... I think its safe to guess that they must feel the pressure from MB supercharging and they dont want to add more weight. Just imagine, you can get a new 5 that accelerates in similar time to the current M5! Imagine what the E60 M5 will do!
Imagine that the 3.0 liter supercharged will beat the Jag S type-R and the 32 AMG (regardless whether on CLK, SLK or C). Supercharged engines are best handled by automatic transmissions apparently. There are many snobbish poseurs and/or 'casual and uninspired' drivers who prefer supercharged engines and automatic transmissions.

Let BMW make a lot of money from these people so it can price the hopefully normally aspirated V10 at cost or even subsidised. That way will leave the purists loyal regardless of Bangle (SMG compromise inevitable)
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