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post #11 of 22 Old 20th June 2019, 03:05 PM Thread Starter
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I had a 200q20v wagon. Great car. Loved the AWD. Switchable ABS. Heated seats. Leather everywhere. Added boost, suspension and brakes. Even took it to the track numerous times!

This is more the equivalent of an E38 7 series. Larger inside, especially trunk and rear seats. Much more of a GT cruiser, while the M5 is much more sports sedan, bordering on sports car based on performance.

But if this pulls at your heart, then go for it. It will be easier (although more expensive) to find an E39 M5 later. They have been recognized by many as BMW's best all around sports sedan built to date. With computers, I don't see the future any brighter for people who like to actually be engaged in the driving experience.

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You make good points and all true. My biggest impression with D2 S8 was how amazingly it handled considering where the engine is. I'm sure it's mainly due to sophisticated AWD but hats off to Audi engineers in that department.

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Those re-upholstered sport seats with pleated leather are tits!

I was an Audi guy initially, 200 20vt Sedan, 90 SQ, C4 S4. I lusted after the D2 S8 forever, particularly with a 6 speed swap. I actually began gravitating toward the M5 due to Audi's BS NLA practices. When consumables cant be purchased, its a problem.

The D2 S8 takes a back seat in terms of out right performance, but it's even more understated and classic looking than the M5. When the snow falls Audi's dominate the left lane, you would be shiny side down trying to keep pace in the M5.

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Yes - I had a B6 S4 and felt the same thing - for a car with terrible weight distribution and the engine hanging way out in front of the front axle-line, the car handled very well. Especially in the snow - but even in the dry too. Very fun car. Mine was very rare Avant with 6MT.

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I sold my B7 RS4 to get my E39 M5. It was an '08 Imola yellow w/ Ti package and Milltek exhaust. Quite a rare and awesome car. The engine in that car is a masterpiece. Minus the carbon buildup it's actually a pretty reliable engine that has torque everywhere and revs to the moon. Not to mention it's one of the best sounding engines ever, IMO. I ended up keeping the RS4 longer than I thought I was going to and didn't feel too good about letting it go. I had been wanting an E39 M5 pretty bad for a while though.


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I love Audis but I can't afford the maintenance
(coming from a guy with 2 aging BMWs with parts on order every day)
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I had the miltek exhaust too - it was glorious!

The maintenance is no worse than a E39 era BMW - IMHO. Other than chain guides if needed requires pulling the motor. That's the one potential gotcha. The packaging is much worse than a RWD car and the S4 is a compact chassis not ever really designed to house that big V8. So E39 is much easier to work on.

But similar issues to the E39 with the Audis - valve cover gaskets, various sensors, window regulators. Stuff is harder to do tho - just replacing the serpentine belt requires removing the entire front bumper assembly! That's fun.

I did all my own maint and repair on both the Audi and all the BMW's I've owned. Similar issues and parts costs in my experience.

Sold my B6 with ~100K miles with a good original clutch too - just like my E39 M5.

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The B6/7 S4s are a special case. Its basically the same as our timing chain issues but requires engine removal to remedy. All the jack shaft driven accessories only compound the problem. The "soft touch" interior buttons in that generation Audi are also a sticking point, they go from bad to worse pretty fast.

The Euro C4 S6+ or RS2 would be my Holy Grail Audi.

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No timing chain worries on the B7 RS4, that was fixed for the FSI V8.

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If you prefer the S8, I'd say get the S8. No reason not to have the car you love!

I think an e38 750iL is far more BMW's answer to the S8 than the e39 M5 is. I kind of want one of those, and then manual swap it...
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If you prefer the S8, I'd say get the S8. No reason not to have the car you love!

I think an e38 750iL is far more BMW's answer to the S8 than the e39 M5 is. I kind of want one of those, and then manual swap it...
It's funny you should mention this. My friend texted me last night to see if I wanted to buy his fathers 750il- $5,000. It's clean and lowered on H&R springs.
I am so tempted. I really don't need another car.
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