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post #1 of 21 Old 14th February 2019, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
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Help figuring out a sound upgrade for a US 2000 M5

Hey all,
Nice to be back to the BMW community,

Been a long time fan of the E30, now i get chance to return with my new M5 E39


got the car two days ago, and in the process of trying to figure out the current setup.
Some info for context:
1. the car came with DSP sound system
2. HU upgraded to large screen one, SW version 1.00

3. car has a DVD player in the back, a cd changer and a radio module (i think), the HU has a cassette player
4. the CD changer makes no sound, it identified CD's but nothing comes out of the speakers
5. there is an extra unit located in the trunk, some sort of adapter - not sure what it does




Aim is to figure out what goes where, than add a BT adapter for music only. i dont care about phone or apple play or navi or anything but music in my car.


any steps / direction for troubleshot would help




thanks


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I googled this for you:

this is an ad from ebay:

Connects2 MBMS005 MK2
Cd changer interface
Removed from BMW E46 2001
It was connected with cd sony cdx 656
Used but still in very good conditions
Cd charger interface
Allows you to connect a Sony CD Autochanger to the original stereo in a BMW

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Take the wire out of the adapter and plug it in to your cd changer and it should work. Most adapters replace the cd changer and use the wiring.

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Tried switching the wires - nothing happens.


The Changer is only connected via the 3 wire cable, no DSP and no 6 pins plug connected to it


The adapter is only connected via 3 wire cable to the main DSP amp, the two other cables are 2 RCA's and 1 that looks like sony Changer unit


What i am missing is - Cant find any changer in the car, nor can i find the other end of this cable

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The DVD player is the navigation computer and is a MKIV. Lots of info on those and make sure you have the latest firmware update. Also, make sure you have the newest DVD (set of two) maps. That said, they are a bit useless as they are old technology.



I removed my CD based navigation computer and installed the same one you have. I left the small screen head unit in the car, because I will never use it for navigation and wanted the car to look stock. The DVD navigation looks better, is faster, etc.


Your car has a silver colored radio, a black amp, a CD changer and a DVD Navigation computer. It may still have the old and now unused trimble mounted behind the black amp.



As far as I know, the wiring you are holding is the pre-wring for a phone. I am working on trying to set my car up with OEM bluetooth so I can send and receive calls hands free. Not sure if it will work with my newer Samsung Galaxy S8.

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My mistake. Thought you had a CD changer in the car. It would sit on the floor in front of the black amp and be VERY noticeable. Some of the cars used two plugs in to the CD changer, but mine only uses the small three wire.



If you decide to add a CD changer, make sure you get the right one. Most people, such as the po of your car, pull the CD changer out so they can connect other music sources.



Welcome to the M5 club. Have had mine for about three months and love it. Came from several 540/6 speeds, which are great cars, but the M5 is so much more fun to drive. Worth the extra $$$.

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I have all stock DSP, M Audio stereo in the car now with a GROM adapter for bluetooth music and phone calls.
The adapter uses the CD Changer wires to connect into the iBus and stereo system.
Not sure if they are still available on the market.
I will be removing most of my stereo and adapters soon and will be posting all my M Audio gear if you decide you want something like this and cannot find it anywhere for sale.
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I will be removing most of my stereo and adapters soon and will be posting all my M Audio gear if you decide you want something like this and cannot find it anywhere for sale.
What will you be planning & replacing it all with ?!

Cheers, Dennis!

2003 Ex-Police E39 530 Diesel Touring. Alpine White, 260,000+ Miles & climbing!

Wheels;
19" Hartge Nova 5 - with custom painted 'Flash Chrome' centres & Polished Lips (set of 5)
19" Hartge Nova 5 - Awaiting custom re-finish (set of 4)
19" Hartge Classic - with custom powder coated centres in shadow chrome & diamond cut/no lacquer lips (set of 5)
20" Hartge Classic - Awaiting custom re-finish
19" 3Pc Forged wheels - ID retained until re-built & finished (2 sets)
20" 3Pc Forged wheels -ID retained until re-built & finished
19" Centres - ID retained until rebuilt & finished
Audio;
Full Custom Audio install - Arc Audio KS Mini ampliifers. DLS 5.25" 2 way front components & 4" 2 way co-axials. JL Audio 8W3-V3 subwoofer in stealth enclosure. Parrot Asteroid Smart head unit, custom door builds for DLS front stage & Earthquake SWS6 flatline subwoofers, custom rear pillar speaker pods. LumiDock iPod dock,

External;
H&R Springs, ExoticsTuning front lip spoiler, Sport F/R bumpers upgrade, Carbon Fibre effect printed Vinyl roof wrap, High gloss black vinyl window trim wrap, Hartge bonnet/hood & tailgate badges, rear rooftip spoiler, matt Black kidney grille, projector foglamps.

Internal;
Hartge auto gearlever, Hartge Handbrake handle, Hartge door sill strips, E46 M3 CSL Alcantara/Tri-stitch SMG steering wheel, full Black Leather Sport seats,

Engine;

Custom ECU re-map biased for more Power & Torque in Steptronic mode, EGR delete, K&N induction kit, Stainless steel de-cat, Stainless steel exhaust backbox with twin oval pipes. Manual 5 spd gearbox conversion.

Plenty more modifications to come!
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Planning to replace tweeters and 5" in the front doors run by a 4 ch class A/B SQ amplifier and 2x JL 10TW3 subs under the rear deck run by a mono class D.
Planning to run an Alpine DSP unit. Not sure what to use for a head unit yet...
Incredible how BMW designed this car to have every stereo related request fulfilled when it comes to ease and location of wiring.
Let me know if you have any more questions.

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Hi Acmilano,

I do miss Toronto, always have a brilliant time whenever I'm there to see relatives, friends and ex work colleagues ! I may well zip over next time I'm there and check your car out and have a drink or 3!

Those 10TW3's are meant to be used in a small sealed enclosure and not 'free air' as you are thinking. I've heard one of these in an Audi R8 and sounded fantastic indeed! I have the JL Audio 8W3 v£ 8 inch sub in a custom made enclosure to fit in the left side of my E39 Touring and it can provide astonishing sub bass that's musical, controlled and tight. If you are really wanting to mount subwoofers where the OEM M Audio ones were, then you'll need to search out subwoofer's that are designed to play in a 'free air' installation. These do exist but there's less choice nowadays since technology allows 8/10/12 inch subwoofers to play fantastically well in really tiny enclosures. You'd also need to spend quite a bit more to strengthen the rear parcel shelf area to provide a more solid baffle to mount the subwoofers to, do some fabrication/cutting and you'll also need to perhaps apply sound deadening to the trunk/boot area to minimise rattles/vibrations as the whole area becomes the 'enclosure'. This all adds up and if you aren't so keen on DIY and have a good reputable local audio installer do it, then it's a significant amount extra in costs. The tried and tested, proven time and time.. and time again method to get fantastic sub bass in a saloon/sedan BMW is to have a small enclosure for a 8/10/12 (or dual) and have the enclosure feed/fire through the ski hatch. This method gives 100% sub bass flow into the cabin where you are and you don't need to put sound deadening material in the trunk area or mess about in the parcel shelf area.

For the front, then ideally you'd junk the oem plastic enclosures behind the door card and put in MDF/Birch Ply baffles that'll provide a much more solid base for the upgraded speakers you buy to play from. Many on the forums will 'automatically' say get 6.5's and like the aspect above, you certainly can but you'd most likely need to do some fabrication, check mounting depths, ensure the cone/surround of the speaker doesn't hit the back of the door card by making a small 'spacer', again, if you need to have a local installer do this, costs begin to add up.I personally run excellent 5.25's in the shape of DLS R5A's which produce fantastic amounts of mid bass response and respond down to 50 Hz. I do have them in custom low profile door builds but if I had wanted to stay with the stock door card look, I think they'd have fitted easily in more solid baffles without having to do all the extra work I'd have had to do if I went with 6.5's.

Alpine have just announced the iLX-W650 shallow depth Android Auto/Apple Carplay head unit for a March 19 release in the USA and according to Crutchfield it has a 5 band EQ and 6 channel Time Alignment. These would cover the DSP aspect you mention. Alpine have a RRP of $500 USD but crutchfield and a couple other US based discount retailers have it showing at just $300!!
https://www.crutchfield.com/S-8O3iP6...-iLX-W650.html

Maybe create a specific thread for your audio upgrade plans ?!

Ron 1999 - apologies for the thread hijack !

Cheers, Dennis!

2003 Ex-Police E39 530 Diesel Touring. Alpine White, 260,000+ Miles & climbing!

Wheels;
19" Hartge Nova 5 - with custom painted 'Flash Chrome' centres & Polished Lips (set of 5)
19" Hartge Nova 5 - Awaiting custom re-finish (set of 4)
19" Hartge Classic - with custom powder coated centres in shadow chrome & diamond cut/no lacquer lips (set of 5)
20" Hartge Classic - Awaiting custom re-finish
19" 3Pc Forged wheels - ID retained until re-built & finished (2 sets)
20" 3Pc Forged wheels -ID retained until re-built & finished
19" Centres - ID retained until rebuilt & finished
Audio;
Full Custom Audio install - Arc Audio KS Mini ampliifers. DLS 5.25" 2 way front components & 4" 2 way co-axials. JL Audio 8W3-V3 subwoofer in stealth enclosure. Parrot Asteroid Smart head unit, custom door builds for DLS front stage & Earthquake SWS6 flatline subwoofers, custom rear pillar speaker pods. LumiDock iPod dock,

External;
H&R Springs, ExoticsTuning front lip spoiler, Sport F/R bumpers upgrade, Carbon Fibre effect printed Vinyl roof wrap, High gloss black vinyl window trim wrap, Hartge bonnet/hood & tailgate badges, rear rooftip spoiler, matt Black kidney grille, projector foglamps.

Internal;
Hartge auto gearlever, Hartge Handbrake handle, Hartge door sill strips, E46 M3 CSL Alcantara/Tri-stitch SMG steering wheel, full Black Leather Sport seats,

Engine;

Custom ECU re-map biased for more Power & Torque in Steptronic mode, EGR delete, K&N induction kit, Stainless steel de-cat, Stainless steel exhaust backbox with twin oval pipes. Manual 5 spd gearbox conversion.

Plenty more modifications to come!
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