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post #11 of 21 Old 5th February 2019, 11:42 AM
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Hey, I say give it your best shot and prove the skeptics wrong.
Hopefully you don't end up to far off your goal.
HP gain estimates are just that, estimates, I'm curious see the end result.
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Not gonna happen unless its a race motor with super high compression.

There are guys with boost who dont make 500 wheel.

There is a lot of hp loss through the drivetrain so youd have to be making almost 600 cranck.

Not tying to be negative, just realistic. Surprised no one mentioned the cost of all of this. The parts you mentioned will get you close to 400wheel with over 10k investment without built motor that can range from15~25k.

If you really like the s62, drop it in an e46 m3 and have fun.

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Not gonna happen unless it’s a race motor with super high compression.

There are guys with boost who don’t make 500 wheel.

There is a lot of hp loss through the drivetrain so you’d have to be making almost 600 crank.
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This.

S62 is already pretty stressed. 11:1 CR, VANOS to bring back some low end. The DP motors made plenty of power (the actual number a pretty highly regarded secret), but you probably wouldn't want to drive it on the street.

Part of the issue (ignoring cost, you are going to need some incredibly deep pockets) is the size. You can get 500 crank hp out of a NA motor (see MB M156, rated 507 from the factory), but is 1.2L LARGER. That helps add power in a NA motor.

And you are dealing with 20 year old technology. So the current Ford flat plane crank motor gives 526 at the crank, but it is set up differently, is slightly bigger and runs even higher compression.

As an aside what is the attraction of doing this NA? A supercharger gives a very different feel than a turbocharger, so there is no question of lag. It feels NA, but on steroids.

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Not gonna happen unless it’s a race motor with super high compression.

There are guys with boost who don’t make 500 wheel.

There is a lot of hp loss through the drivetrain so you’d have to be making almost 600 crank.
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This.

S62 is already pretty stressed. 11:1 CR, VANOS to bring back some low end. The DP motors made plenty of power (the actual number a pretty highly regarded secret), but you probably wouldn't want to drive it on the street.

Part of the issue (ignoring cost, you are going to need some incredibly deep pockets) is the size. You can get 500 crank hp out of a NA motor (see MB M156, rated 507 from the factory), but is 1.2L LARGER. That helps add power in a NA motor.

And you are dealing with 20 year old technology. So the current Ford flat plane crank motor gives 526 at the crank, but it is set up differently, is slightly bigger and runs even higher compression.

As an aside what is the attraction of doing this NA? A supercharger gives a very different feel than a turbocharger, so there is no question of lag. It feels NA, but on steroids.

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I’m very particular about what mods I will do to my m5. I’ve driven many cars, some north of 7 figures and I still believe the e39 m5 has something intangible over those cars. My car is my dream car but I will not put anything but oem or the best on her. The rms supercharger (which is the best) I want is north of $20k and I simply can’t afford it. I’m currently in discussion with acmilano from this forum to purchase his rms supercharger kit but financially I’m not in the place to do it. If I can’t supercharge her with the best I think I will stay NA and try to crack 550 @ the crank. I hope one day I can afford everything I want but at 30 and 2 kids and starting a new company, that dream is at least 10 y ars away. Anything over 500hp @ the crank I’ll be happy with. But until I hit 600rwhp I know I’ll want more.
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take this with a grain of salt....

I've gone through 3 different SC set-ups before putting together by own version using quality parts available on the market and my set-up has been replicated by several members of this forum with great results. RMS is not the BEST, contact Timmay and he can give you his opinion, Evolve is not the BEST, contact Zack and he can give you his point of view. ESS is reasonable priced based on what you are getting. Dinan is over engineered and i don't think is available. All kits have room for improvement. However, I will give it to RMS to be the pioneer in this field and no one has come close to do what they have done.

Now that we got that out the way lets discuss time, cost, tuning and smog. From they way things are sounding this will not be a no expense spared project.

I am not sure how much you will be doing yourself and how much will be outsourced. One thing for sure, BMW parts on this card doubled, tripped and in some cases quadrupled. Just call your local dealer and inquire the cost on the front bumper pork chop. N/A or FI, this project will require a lot of time and $, but if you are doing the work yourself, you will learn a lot more on how the car ticks.

Tuning - just make sure its not a remote tuner. A lot of discussion on the board about certain tuners and remote tuning.

Smog - In some states like mine if you have a SC on the car it will need to be converted to pass smog. Some folks have ways to get around, but that adds more time and more $ every time your smog is due.

I wish I had someone tell me how deep the rabbit hole goes when I started my project. Its been 8 years the car runs strong shy of 570 at wheels and I am still not "done", majority can be blamed on my OCD.

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take this with a grain of salt....

I've gone through 3 different SC set-ups before putting together by own version using quality parts available on the market and my set-up has been replicated by several members of this forum with great results. RMS is not the BEST, contact Timmay and he can give you his opinion, Evolve is not the BEST, contact Zack and he can give you his point of view. ESS is reasonable priced based on what you are getting. Dinan is over engineered and i don't think is available. All kits have room for improvement. However, I will give it to RMS to be the pioneer in this field and no one has come close to do what they have done.

Now that we got that out the way lets discuss time, cost, tuning and smog. From they way things are sounding this will not be a no expense spared project.

I am not sure how much you will be doing yourself and how much will be outsourced. One thing for sure, BMW parts on this card doubled, tripped and in some cases quadrupled. Just call your local dealer and inquire the cost on the front bumper pork chop. N/A or FI, this project will require a lot of time and $, but if you are doing the work yourself, you will learn a lot more on how the car ticks.

Tuning - just make sure its not a remote tuner. A lot of discussion on the board about certain tuners and remote tuning.

Smog - In some states like mine if you have a SC on the car it will need to be converted to pass smog. Some folks have ways to get around, but that adds more time and more $ every time your smog is due.

I wish I had someone tell me how deep the rabbit hole goes when I started my project. Its been 8 years the car runs strong shy of 570 at wheels and I am still not "done", majority can be blamed on my OCD.

I’ve already reached out to timmay via pm but perhaps he didn’t get it since my account is relatively new and posts limited. My build is definitely financially restricted. I have 17k set aside and nearly half of that is gone without touching the motor. I get parts wholesale and have a hook up with a bmw master mechanic that’s basically working on my car for damn near free but I’m doing the work along side him. I’m fortunate I have such a friend or else my cost would be 4x. If your interested you can look up my build on the intro section. Like u I’m very ocd about my toys. I’m expecting this project to hit at least $30k with bbk, forged wheels, 450whp na but I’m well aware it could double that especially if I go sc. I’m not worried however about the smog issue. I have friends that can help me pass.
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take this with a grain of salt....

I've gone through 3 different SC set-ups before putting together by own version using quality parts available on the market and my set-up has been replicated by several members of this forum with great results. RMS is not the BEST, contact Timmay and he can give you his opinion, Evolve is not the BEST, contact Zack and he can give you his point of view. ESS is reasonable priced based on what you are getting. Dinan is over engineered and i don't think is available. All kits have room for improvement. However, I will give it to RMS to be the pioneer in this field and no one has come close to do what they have done.

Now that we got that out the way lets discuss time, cost, tuning and smog. From they way things are sounding this will not be a no expense spared project.

I am not sure how much you will be doing yourself and how much will be outsourced. One thing for sure, BMW parts on this card doubled, tripped and in some cases quadrupled. Just call your local dealer and inquire the cost on the front bumper pork chop. N/A or FI, this project will require a lot of time and $, but if you are doing the work yourself, you will learn a lot more on how the car ticks.

Tuning - just make sure its not a remote tuner. A lot of discussion on the board about certain tuners and remote tuning.

Smog - In some states like mine if you have a SC on the car it will need to be converted to pass smog. Some folks have ways to get around, but that adds more time and more $ every time your smog is due.

I wish I had someone tell me how deep the rabbit hole goes when I started my project. Its been 8 years the car runs strong shy of 570 at wheels and I am still not "done", majority can be blamed on my OCD.

I’ve already reached out to timmay via pm but perhaps he didn’t get it since my account is relatively new and posts limited. My build is definitely financially restricted. I have 17k set aside and nearly half of that is gone without touching the motor. I get parts wholesale and have a hook up with a bmw master mechanic that’s basically working on my car for damn near free but I’m doing the work along side him. I’m fortunate I have such a friend or else my cost would be 4x. If your interested you can look up my build on the intro section. Like u I’m very ocd about my toys. I’m expecting this project to hit at least $30k with bbk, forged wheels, 450whp na but I’m well aware it could double that especially if I go sc. I’m not worried however about the smog issue. I have friends that can help me pass.
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I am selling my BBK and forged wheels if you are interested. Check out my for sale postings. You are about 3 1/2 hurs away.

By the way, FI will cost less to achieve the HP without touching the motor.

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