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post #51 of 534 Old 30th August 2016, 04:00 AM
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Sorry it was kind of quiet this weekend, but I went to VIR Saturday and to Raleigh Sunday to help Brian get set up for Brandon's interior parts. There was a lot of reorganizing of the shop to do to make room for all these parts. The door panels come apart in so many pieces, and he needs them all separated to get the best dye coverage. Three huge folding tables later and an engine and other such stuff moved around and we had everything laid out. Took the plastics off the seats and door panels as well. I think Brian is going to get started on the parts this week, but it will take him a while to get through everything. I expect he'll post some updates here and there over the next couple weeks.

Back in Charlotte, I got the round to flat pin cable from Brandon that he got for the old e38 and was able to get the NBT fired up.



I was kind of freaking out when the amp wasn't outputting any sound, but I forgot that I needed to code it to MID_basis so that it doesn't cut out after 5 seconds due to the old head unit being removed. Quick NCS Expert session and that was fixed.

His is a Euro NBT, so it doesn't have SiriusXM or HDRadio, but all the other functions work great (so far, but haven't tried nav since the car has no seats ). I tried hooking my phone up by Bluetooth and having the antenna on top of the parcel shelf, but under the trim should have great reception, which was important because I think Brandon plans to pretty much use his phone by bluetooth exclusively. Traffic over the FM antenna seems to also be working properly, though it's not nearly as good as Waze.

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Alright, time for a review on the Monsoons.

First of all, they look really nice.



Also, just to let you know that I have not fully installed them yet, but I plugged them up to my e38 since it still had the front door speakers installed in the door panels for testing reasons. I have a sub in the car as well, but I left it disconnected at first to see what the Monsoons could do on their own.

First impression is...WOW! These things put out a LOT of bass. Once I cranked it up to a reasonable volume for the rest of the speakers, I needed to turn the bass down all the way and it still sounded very nice. The reason for having to turn it all the way down was that if the bass is turned up too much, the speakers sound a bit too "boomy". I don't know the best way to describe it, but it sounds kind of like the box is too small for the speakers at that volume. When the bass is all the way down though, they sound amazing up to volumes that would normally be my max. Again, this might be better once the box is fully installed in the car, but I had the same issue with my old e38 box with restored stock speakers when turning it up pretty loud, so I'm thinking it's probably just a limitation of the box. My possible suggestion for fixing this might be to get some kind of gain control installed inline on the Monsoons and that way you could turn the bass up for the rest of the speakers, while keeping the Monsoons reigned in a bit. I then decided to hook up my Pioneer 10" shallow mount sub hanging from my parcel shelf and it sounded even more spectacular. There was no more lack of low end at all and as long as I kept the bass on the head unit down to the minimum and just turned up bass boost on the sub amp, it sounded very good at high volumes. I bet if there was a dedicated gain control on the Monsoons, the whole system could be tuned quite well.

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Ended up securing the box in Brandon's car and seems to be fine. Could have been because I tapped into my sub channels to run my separate sub amp. Sounds great now.

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LOL, I would, but I share Brandon's preference for the Caramel interior.
I know a guy that can dye them caramel for you

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LOL, I would, but I share Brandon's preference for the Caramel interior.
Good to see you found the build thread, Sanjay.
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I bet if there was a dedicated gain control on the Monsoons, the whole system could be tuned quite well.
Good amps and active crossovers will have a phone jack for remote sub gain control.
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Good amps and active crossovers will have a phone jack for remote sub gain control.
Sure, but I'm saying a gain controller on the subs alone might have made them not so overpowering and allow the bass going to the door speakers increase. This is all with keeping the stock DSP amp.

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Not sure who it was directed to, but yes, it will be getting a S62 and 6-speed, hence the reason why it's in the M5board in the first place . I was saying above that I won't be doing the swap myself, but rather that Trevor (Trevor7008) will be doing it, since he has done a few S62 E38 swaps now and I've got a few other swaps I'll be doing soon. The car is with me getting the interior swap, NBT install, e39 facelift sport steering wheel, and a few other things done, before it will, I assume, go back to Brandon's until Adam can find him an engine/transmission/diff. Once that happens, I think it will be back down to SC for the powertrain/drivetrain swap.
Huh? What? I just woke up, what's happening? Who's on first. What's on second. I don't know is on third.
Just waiting my turn.
I picked up a pair of 102mm 750 axles for the M5 diff and because it's a shorty the M5 drive shaft just has to have the front half lengthened 100mm. And of course some cutting and welding to fit the diff into the E38 subframe. I'll probably go ahead and box the front mount too. Mine has been in there for over 30K miles and this combo of different model parts is still perfect.
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Brian sent me the first shots with some dye being applied.

His quote from my other build thread.

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That's dye only, not topcoat. I will get that done soon. Brandon will pick his sheen and then I'll do some samples.
It's caramel. But go pick any caramel part out of any M5 and compare it to any other. They are never the same. Different dye lots, production years, etc. Lots of variance. The important thing is consistency. Everything I dye caramel will be the same color.
If you look at his tan parts, there are at least 3-5 shades of tan all in the same car. There's no consistency with factory parts, so mine will be even better. My products exceed OE standards for longevity as well, giving him a more durable finish than the originals.
This is a huge project and is taking a lot longer than I had hoped/planned for but I'm making progress.


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Body guy called to say he was done removing the Alpina logo from the front spoiler and would be priming it soon. Then I will bring it home and fit it to the car once it arrives. Lastly, he will paint and install it and the passenger side door seal when I drop the car off with him for a day or two.
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