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Yester years vs Todays
This is just my own Experience from a down to earth perspective not about techy stuff most are used to etc....

Hmmm, i will like to share my experience with the new F10 M5 vs E34 M5. I have been in a very fortunate situation to be driving both Models in detail on a daily basis and its very interesting what i noticed. Firstly to put in to perspective i am a very keen road cyclist and been racing for years and I had a Trek bike build bespoke using Groupset 9 speed Dura Ace 7700 model made in the 90's, it was old quite light and incredibly strong and the feel was sensational, i used it very very hard indeed, now my very new ltd edition LOOK frame with a modern ltd edition Shimano Dura Ace groupie, all carbon etc etc... light fast but lacks the feel of my old soldier that was crude but wow what a group set.

So to the F10.... well a very incredibly well built car, and for a guy who works in the car industry I have to say this car has it all and more. To start with the pace is savage no lie the shifting is fast, the paddles, the steering feels top notch, seats are beautifully made and the head up etc, all nice and the car responds real quick to input for essentially an automatic car, and knocking the gear stick to left again gives more control etc but this is all nothing knew to most here with loads of articles reiterating this!!

But my overall impression is If i was asked to sell my car for one, i won't even think once about selling my car for this car without question.... And trust me i've driven this car and mine simultaneously for a month continuously on varied terrain, my impression is this car is simply too fast that one has to be very careful, i find myself easily creeping into 35 -38 around town without knowing it and lucky for me the head up display reminds me all the time, then i get frustrated because it is just dull really dull for me just does not excite, then the sound wow, i keep having to leave the windows down to hear it cause its just so well... dull, then i decide to open up and then dislike the fact it does not send hairs on the back of my neck up but again i am approaching the limit and then the feel well hmmnn .... Dull, so i slow down and the feel, oh dear this is frustrating, but happy at least it looks nice inside. The gearing is nice but kept getting caught out once i switch to Manual mode by over revving the thing due to the fact the car was so silent unlike my 34 which sounds like a beast even in just gentle mode, it steers well but car is just so big its not funny, so much so kerbed my wheels trying to get through tight restrictions on a few occasions something i've never done before. The car is just Massive. Thing is in a nut shell to enjoy this car one needs to break the law otherwise at all other times its just dull. But don't mind me, this is just me being well!... me, i've loved cars mostly BMW's and Porsches since 5yrs old and not your regular car guy, who is into detailing the car making it look pretty or for the sake of ROI, show off etc, thats just not me at all, hence both mine have names and as a result have their own characters so maybe I'm weird but some will understand what i am saying.

F10 //M5 like my new Shimano Dura- Ace group set with Carbon this and that are efficient built well etc, but lack real feel in same way the gear changes of the car feels and you just feel more of a passenger, there is something about the old stuff thats just not in the new stuff. And my heart rate rises when the revs rise in my 34, so well although done to death i just love the 34, only thing to replace it remains a 964/993C2... Lol
 

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I think the Germans are the only ones that really get to appreciate the performance of the later ///M cars due to the Autobahn system.

We've come to the conclusion that more than 400hp in Jakarta is a waste , you just can't use it other than blasts in 1st and 2nd gear.

Our old E34 M5s will give most of the cars we meet on the road here a dusting or at least a run for their money with the tollway conditions here unless its something very exotic.

One of my favorite E34 M5 moments so far was passing an S class Mercedes who was doing about 190kmh. I passed on the inside lane of a big sweeping corner on the tollway to Bandung , no M5 badge on the back at that time. When I looked in the rear view mirror the driver and passenger were looking at each other with a "WTF ?" look on their faces as most E34s here are 520s.
 

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Funny thing is you don't see these cars as much as they are seen in the UK, what i see are mostly diesels, I wonder what the impressions will be in a few years time with this car and wether time will be kind to it (already looking at the prices they are commanding for used cars i suspect not), but definitely don't like the sound at low or high revs, only time i think it sounds nice is when u fire it up, sound is very nice indeed but from then on it just goes downhill leaving me cold.
 

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I think the Germans are the only ones that really get to appreciate the performance of the later ///M cars due to the Autobahn system.
Tony........... you HAMMERED it perfectly






But .. the traffic today is so unbelievable heavy,, that the opportunity to drive VERY fast is a seldom factor,,,, sad but true
 

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I haven't driven a new turbo M-car, but not desparate to either. 0-100 mph in 9 sec just holding your foot on the floor is only impressive to read.

I like that I have to wait for my e34 to go, even if the diesels are sailing away to begin with, I love knowing the S38 is drawing it's deepest breath as the diesels run out of puff. Less accessible, but much more special
 

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Yemi Hi,

Long time man!

I perfectly agree with you on this issue.

I bought an E39 530 last year just for this reason....my daily driver, which was an E60 523i was just getting too impersonal for my liking.

The E60, though a very good car was not exciting nor was I too enamoured with its looks.

I then drove a friends E39 528i with the sport package and I was hooked.....I eventually bought a 530i M Sport and passed the E60 over to my wife.

The E34 is still in a league of its own but above i'm referring to "ordinary" cars.....not hand built beauty's such as our M5's.

As you rightfully state the F10 cannot be fully enjoyed without going to a track or loosing your license and though a technological marvel.....give me my drive by wire....and I mean literally.....E34 that gives me goose bumps just contemplating her vast repertoire of pleasures!
 

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Whereas I just want to see a picture of this new road bike!

:M5thumbs:


F10 blah blah blah, tell me more about the new Dura Ace Di2 lovelove
 

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Well I love my F10. It's taken a long time to get to grips with it as there are so many different ways you can set it up but it is an amazing car.

I also love my E34, a very different driving experience and a special car.
 

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Its a nice car for sure, plus modern stuff etc but over the e34 no, especially if i had to choose but as another car why not. I will drive it daily and keep the e34 for special times.
 

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That's exactly what I do. My E34 is reserved for pleasure driving now rather than the daily grind.

The E34's proper manual box, mechanical LSD and screaming S38 makes it more fun to drive on fast sweeping road and you can really exploit its performance without worrying about having to do some jail time but I do find it a chore to drive in traffic. I also think the E34 is a bit of a bad influence on me, it just wants to be going for it the whole time. All the points on my licence (or stars as I like to call them) have been acquired whilst driving it!

The F10 is happy to mooch along slowly or do a pretty good impression of the Millennium Falcon, depending on how I feel. It's great for long trips in total comfort and has every creature comfort you could imagine. I think it would be difficult to find a more complete car. As long as you keep it in manual, steering in comfort and switch the traction control to MDM it's still loads of fun below licence loosing speeds.

I'm not saying its a replacement for an E34, what could be after all?
 
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