[Steven]

1. You use too much gas. You are weakening the U.S. in favor of OPIC.

2. You pollute too much. Do you like to drive fast on scenic routes? The acid rain you are making is killing the lakes, forests and animals you are streaking past.

3. You are dangerous to others on the road. There is even a roadkill section to this message board. Assuming that you are expert enough to drive as fast as you do (and buying an E39 M5 does not make you an expert driver), the other drivers on the road who you laughingly push aside may make deadly mistakes. Do you remember the note posted recently by an E39 M5 owner bragging how he flew between two cars being driven more slowly on the highway?

4. You are immobile in snow and ice. Everytime I take my kid snowboarding I see BMW owners being given help by people in Chevy's and Taurus Fords so they can make it up hills. I guess you should put on snow tires, but then you will probably ruin them when you get to dry stretches.

5. You are spending too much money. Of course, that's your business, unless you consider your contribution to the U.S. trade deficit. You should care about that, since this is your country, to protect or harm.

6. What you should do instead is buy a car for racing, really racing, on the track. U.S. roads are not designed for an E39 M5. Then buy a smart sensible car for driving you and your family on roads with other drivers driving their families.

 

[michael s]

Getting even with Steven, who shouldn't post on M5 boards because:

1. He is full of hot air and contributes to global warming.

2. His acid brain is streaking again.

3. He is dangerous to others on the information highway. Posting here does not make him an expert driveler.

4. He snowboards extensively on public roads, and he is teaching his kid to do the same.

5. He is spending way too much time pontificating. (Time is money and, oops, there goes the trade deficit.)

6. He believes some cars are smart, and he thinks the same is true for his opinions.

 

[rickw]

What is OPIC? Is it the opposite of OPEC?

OPEC = Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

I guess that means OPIC is the organization for countries that IMPORT Petroleum. Of course that would mean Steven's post makes no sense.... Bingo!

Rick

FYI, acid rain is caused by the use of high-sulfer coal or ores in furnaces (typically industrial), not by cars burning gasoline.

 

[Jeff L]

Maybe I will take up whale hunting instead, or how about if I go club some seals or maybe just burn a rain forest or two.

Or maybe I will barrel along in my SUV at 95 MPH while talking on my cell phone and weaving in and out of traffic.

Get Real!

 

[blue max]

Very funny post Steven.

1. We all know owning this car is not practical

a. costs too much
b. can't really use it to it's potential on public roads
c. Weighs too much
d. not fuel efficient (don't confuse that with fuel economy)
e. We did'nt get floating calipers

Guess what? Most of us LOVE it.

When we finally get that smile off our face
we smile on the inside. Can't wait for the next drive.

M Power to the people!

 

[AndyP]

Steven,

I just don't get it ... you are indeed entitled to your views and they make interesting reading, but why do you bother with this messageboard (and it doesn't look like you just happened on it either)?

Please answer, I'm really curious ....

 

[KKelly]

Given the number of E39 M5's vs. SUV's he should be somewhere else complaining.

 

[Wolf359]

Steven makes some good points. Flaming him just makes one look intolerent and defensive.

1. The E39 does use a lot of gas. However, your gas usage is proportional to how much you drive, not your mpg. The M5 is not a beater. And with less than 1500 E39 M5's on the road in the US, the phrase "drop in a bucket" comes to mind. I'd spend my time lobbying for better intra-city public transit, if petroleum conservation was my goal.

2. My E39 M5 California emission results:
15 mph:
RPM=1634 %CO2=15.0 %O2=0.0
HC=49PPM %CO=0.00 NO=0PPM
25 mph:
RPM=1715 %CO2=15.1 %O2=0.0
HC=29PPM %CO=0.01 NO=1PPM
Please note the carbon monoxide and nitric oxide numbers before saying the E39 M5 is greater contributer to acid rain than other cars (for reference, max to pass @15mph is HC=116PPM, %CO=0.47, NO=1398PPM).

3. Good point. Dumb drivers suck.

4. Z rated tires are, as another poster said "hockey pucks" on ice and freezing roads. The M5 has an in-dash warning when the temp drops below 37F. Heed it.

5. This is a tar-baby of an argument, even though I partially agree with you (although I must tangentally comment that you don't see environmentalism and economic isolationism together too often).

6. Race cars are an entirely different animal. The E39 M5 is as smart and sensible car as it's driver.

Ta,
-Wolf359

 

[Roman]

Re: Steven membership status---what's a "Junior Member"? Does that mean he doesn't get voting rights?

 

[Steven]

No.

Originally posted by Roman:
Re: Steven membership status---what's a "Junior Member"? Does that mean he doesn't get voting rights?

 

[Steven]

Originally posted by AndyP:
Steven,

I just don't get it ... you are indeed entitled to your views and they make interesting reading, but why do you bother with this messageboard (and it doesn't look like you just happened on it either)?

Please answer, I'm really curious ....

Steven's answer:

1. I would be thrilled to have an E39 M5, but the concerns articulated cause me to question whether owning one would be a good idea. I care more about the U.S. than I do about a car.

2. I like to fight.

 

[Steven]

Originally posted by blue max:
Very funny post Steven.

1. We all know owning this car is not practical

a. costs too much
b. can't really use it to it's potential on public roads
c. Weighs too much
d. not fuel efficient (don't confuse that with fuel economy)
e. We did'nt get floating calipers

Steven's reply:

I enjoyed most of the responses, including yours. Of course it is handsome and fun to drive. Market demand and political pressure could induce BMW to develop an M5 that retained what you like, and improved its flaws. If BMW had not wasted billions on Rover, and had poured some of that money into making a super car, the E39 M5 would be more efficient. The paradigm of making heavy cars that are powerful only by using enormous quantities of gasoline is old.
Guess what? Most of us LOVE it.

When we finally get that smile off our face
we smile on the inside. Can't wait for the next drive.

M Power to the people!

 

[Steven]

Originally posted by Wolf359:
Steven makes some good points. Flaming him just makes one look intolerent and defensive.

1. The E39 does use a lot of gas. However, your gas usage is proportional to how much you drive, not your mpg. The M5 is not a beater. And with less than 1500 E39 M5's on the road in the US, the phrase "drop in a bucket" comes to mind. I'd spend my time lobbying for better intra-city public transit, if petroleum conservation was my goal.

2. My E39 M5 California emission results:
15 mph:
RPM=1634 %CO2=15.0 %O2=0.0
HC=49PPM %CO=0.00 NO=0PPM
25 mph:
RPM=1715 %CO2=15.1 %O2=0.0
HC=29PPM %CO=0.01 NO=1PPM
Please note the carbon monoxide and nitric oxide numbers before saying the E39 M5 is greater contributer to acid rain than other cars (for reference, max to pass @15mph is HC=116PPM, %CO=0.47, NO=1398PPM).

3. Good point. Dumb drivers suck.

4. Z rated tires are, as another poster said "hockey pucks" on ice and freezing roads. The M5 has an in-dash warning when the temp drops below 37F. Heed it.

5. This is a tar-baby of an argument, even though I partially agree with you (although I must tangentally comment that you don't see environmentalism and economic isolationism together too often).

6. Race cars are an entirely different animal. The E39 M5 is as smart and sensible car as it's driver.

Ta,
-Wolf359

Steven's reply:

Nice response. I will research #2. Please see my reply to Blue Max.

 

[Steven]

Originally posted by rickw:
What is OPIC? Is it the opposite of OPEC?

OPEC = Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

I guess that means OPIC is the organization for countries that IMPORT Petroleum. Of course that would mean Steven's post makes no sense.... Bingo!

Rick

FYI, acid rain is caused by the use of high-sulfer coal or ores in furnaces (typically industrial), not by cars burning gasoline.

Steven's reply:

Acid rain is caused by cars burning gasoline as well as by midwestern utilities. That is one reason why the Adirondacks are in trouble (some say dying) despite recent regulation of the utilities (which regulation admittedly isn't adequate to prevent the utilities from causing a lot of acid rain).

 

[Roman]

The Adirondacks aren't located in the Midwest, Steven.

 

[pedro duarte]

Hey steven!!! Wake up!!!
I won't reply to all your points.
Just two major ones since the others i don't really think worthy of ANY answer.

1. Cars burning gasoline don't cause acid rain! More than 90% of the acid rain is caused by industries and if you wonder which those would be the ones in developing countries, not the US/Can or the West europe. Most regulations are stisfatory.

2. Polution caused by the M5 in all kinds of emissions. Well, i'm willing to bet than german tech allows the M5 to be SIGNIFICANTLY less poluting than the average american car. Also considering that american motoring has a tradition for high displacement low eficient V8s (cause u have REALLY CHEAP gas - how does it sound the US$ 1/liter we get in europe) that surelly contribute more to poluting your home skies, especially since what: detroit makes how much hundreds of V8s every day?! vs the 1500 M5s that will get into the US.

If you were willing to buy an M5 (and can do so - $$$ wise) and you don't because of the reasons u mentioned i'm really sorry for you... since you don't get much alternative... at least in europe we have several tuners which can provide outstanding cars if u don't really fancy some details on the factory car...

Enough said!

 

[JonGhast]

Steven's points do bring up real issues, if they are accurate or not is another matter. As some one said, flaming him makes one look intolerant and I would add ignorant. Along the topic of ignorance, several posters made refrence to the stereotype of the american v8. If you'll notice Steven made refrence to "family cars" and Tauruses. I don't believe that many US family cars have come with v8's in the since the 70's, and tauruses have small sixes or possibly even 4's.

If I may rant for 1 second, First, Steven, on point #3 the term roadkill refers to a car beaten while road racing which while stupid is very entertaining, rather than the number of station wagons full of kids driven into ditches.
2. There are a lot of bad, bad drivers on the road, and via some cosmic joke most of them can afford nice cars. I've ben cut off more by bimmers, lexuses, and audis than suv's or pickups, and I live in colorado. (I'm sure cell phones had nothing to do with this)
3. Lastly, a couple of rules for the road.
1. always signal, always. Yes even if you are the only car on the road and you are changing lanes. If you can't concentrate on driving with no other cars around, and still remember to flick that little arm you shouldn't have a lisense(?).
2. Aviod loose items in the car, this includes; children, animals, food (no eating while you drive), and cell phones, leave it alone unless it's an emergency (no only real emergencies count )and sometimes other people, tell them to behave(the only time I ever ran a red light, was when two passengers physically attacked each other in the back seat)
3. Most important, STAY THE **** OUT OF THE LEFT LANE UNLESS YOU ARE PASSING SOME ONE!

Least anyone think me biased, I have a cell phone on my hip 24 hours a, I drive an E28 M5 which gets way worse milage than an E39. and I wouldn't drive an american car if it was the only way to get to the hospital and I was bleeding to death.

S

 

[JonGhast]

sorry for the spelling I can't type right now

S

 

[akosm5]

1. You use too much gas. You are weakening the U.S. in favor of OPIC.

2. You pollute too much. Do you like to drive fast on scenic routes? The acid rain you are making is killing the lakes, forests and animals you are streaking past.

3. You are dangerous to others on the road. There is even a roadkill section to this message board. Assuming that you are expert enough to drive as fast as you do (and buying an E39 M5 does not make you an expert driver), the other drivers on the road who you laughingly push aside may make deadly mistakes. Do you remember the note posted recently by an E39 M5 owner bragging how he flew between two cars being driven more slowly on the highway?

4. You are immobile in snow and ice. Everytime I take my kid snowboarding I see BMW owners being given help by people in Chevy's and Taurus Fords so they can make it up hills. I guess you should put on snow tires, but then you will probably ruin them when you get to dry stretches.

5. You are spending too much money. Of course, that's your business, unless you consider your contribution to the U.S. trade deficit. You should care about that, since this is your country, to protect or harm.

6. What you should do instead is buy a car for racing, really racing, on the track. U.S. roads are not designed for an E39 M5. Then buy a smart sensible car for driving you and your family on roads with other drivers driving their families.

Hello Guys!

I know it’s an old thread, quite old but i read it just now.
I totally disagree with Steven. I’am engaged in Enviormental Protection Engineering and I can state that the M5s do not generate any kind of global warming or natural problems, etc… I would like to give you some infos about the blast of the cars preferably about the fuel consumption. The bigger problems are the following:

1, Too much people use cars for „nothing” /I hope you understand why I say it/
We could replace the cars in many kind of transport, but we don’t put it. I think the consumption of the Ferraris are quite high /more than 20liter as you know too/ but they don't have too much effect on the enviorment because there are not too much. The problem: too much Daewoos, KIAs, etc... I think we should consider when we use our car, if you have to drive every day, no problem, you need the car. But if you are just lazy...:nono: :dont: For example there are
Cities almost without public transport! /big cities.../:eek7: :dunno:

OK, I stop writeing these reasons, it's too much for you:hihi:

2, Do you know the slogan of the BMW? „The Ultimate Driving Machine” and the M5 is really that!:blink: :M5thumbs: Go and drive it!:noSMG: Enjoy it!:1:


Best,
:M5launch:

 

[BeastJaTT]

I think steven got too much time on his hands :dunno: