Although not one of your original options, I would choose the e60 M5 and ZO6. Cheers, Daniel.

 

Hi Sandy-

Please give my greets to Factor-X out there. Used to have a Comptech, then Basch Boosted NSX. Anyways, I am from the school of thought that says that if you want a track car, get a REAL track car and not a dual-purpose machine, especially if you are used to having multiple cars anyway. If you really want to race, consider Spec Miata, Spec / Pro-7 RX7, or an IT type car. If you are more of an open-track person and need a dual-type car, Id consider the Lotus Elise, or if you really want your power, the new Z06. Id avoid modding an EVO:

http://www.pulpracing.com/evo_sows.htm

I think the new Z06 will be one h*ll of a car! Im buying into all the new hype about it, but I am not buying into the hype of the E60 M5, so no, Id say the extra $80k is NOT worth it for you to trade "up" to the E60.

The Z06 will spank the NSX around the track. I dont think there's going to be any question. I used to have to do all that I could to keep up with some of the C5 Z06 drivers around Willow Springs in my 400 HP SC NSX! The C6 Z06 will no doubt simply walk away!

Good Luck, and let us know what you do! :byee55amg

 

Just keep the NSX and turbocharge it.

BTW, this looks really nice

<img src="http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=203287">

 

I would go for e39 M5 + Z06. I think it is a better combo and the Z06 will be freaking fast car and you will have the beast to park next to it. The C6 is already out and the guys said it is freaking fast. It murdered a e46 m3.. Just imagine what the z06 would do ouich

 

I would say keep the M5 and see DA about adding horsepower. I am not a fan of the E60, and certainly can't see your M5 plus $45ishk to make that trade. If you need a weekend track car, the Z06 should do nicely. If you want a dedicated race car, (assuming you can only have two cars), then the choice between Z06 and M5 (E39 or E60) comes down to whether you need the 4 doors and interior space of an M5 or not. Personally can't see pumping up the NSX when the stock Z06 is so much better and similar or cheaper list price before doing all the NSX add ons.
Regards,
Jerry

 

1. Considering that your M5 has Dinan Mods I doubt the New M5 would offer any real preformance gain. Plus do you like the SMG?

2. the Z06 and NSX are VERY different cars. I like the NSX, especially w/ the mid engine, it's a bit long in the tooth. I would get the Z06. Plus I sure you could modify that to NASCAR standards !!!

3. No, get the 997 Turbo when it comes out next year. That sould be one compario: 997 T vs Z06.

4. Your call on the EVO. I hate the interior though.


BTW the Z06 is nearly identical to the c6 insofar as the interior. The only difference is the steering wheel and the seats.

 

Z06 and E60 M5 sounds like the best choice to me. On the other hand, a modded NSX isn't too bad either, and the suggestion that was made before about taking your current M5 to the shadowman also sounds very tempting. But the best combination to answer your dilemma would be the Z06 and M5 imo.

 

I say look for the perfect modified 996 Turbo. It doesn't take much to make the 996 Turbos very fast cars but once those modifications have been made it is very difficult to get your money back when you sell, so find a car that has already been modified and buy one. Would you rather drive a 500HP Porsche or a 500HP Chevy?

In the mean time wait for the E60 to come out before you decide what to do with your E39. I really believe that driving the E60 M5 will be the deciding factor for many of us who are currently on waiting lists.

Derek

 

I think the best combo is your current m5 modded (great car, that is why you have had it for over 4 years) for the family, and the new Z06, which will smoke most every car on the road. Sub 4 second 0-60 and quarter in the elevens out of the box, and I am sure it will pull near 1g on the skidpad. I think the styling is very good, and I think the interior will be a lot better ( i understand, i used to own a 01 Z06).

 

If you could go back in time.. E60 M5 and the 996 Turbo!!!

But with what you have... E39 M5 and '06 Z06.

 

Keep the e39 and get the Z06 to satisfy your hunger for more HP. Will keep the boss happen on the finances, too. Unless you really like SMG, I would think the e39 is more satisfying to drive, and I'll bet you don't really miss the added HP of the e60 if you have the Z06 to drive when you want. :M5launch:

 

get the e39 m5 supercharged, and buy another 996 turbo and fix that one up...

 

E39 and Z06...otherwise

Your every day car will be faster than your track car!!!

 

I would say the e39M5 and Z06, primarily because I dislike the NSX. I agree with Daniel, the best combination would be the E60 M5 AND Z06.

 

how bout an M6 and a Z06 Yeah i know the m6 isn't a sadan but i found it the 645 that is of course ;to be pretty big and roomy unless you head for long trips.

I guess it depends what you want out of each car?

 

E39 and Z06

manual > *

 

I also vote for E39 + Z06. The reason is it's better to have a faster sports car where you can really use the power at the track instead of having a faster street car than your sports car that only looks fast

 

Hey guys,

I appreciate all your feedback.

I agree, in a perfect world I would have an E60 M5 and a 996 turbo. Did I say I wish I never sold my 996 turbo? Darn it!

I am seriously thinking that it may make more sense to get the ZO6 versus the E60 M5. However, that V10 sounds awesome, but the lack of a manual transmission is a bummer. I know the SMG 3 should be great, but I think I will miss changing gears on my own.

My sports car will be a dual purpose vehicle used for the daily commute as well as the ocassional driving event.

· If I decide on the ZO6, do you think it would be best to wait for an 07' to avoid any first year bugs? Also, it has been GM practice to upgrade cars in their second year of production. I.E. previous ZO6, SSR and GTO.

· Should I consider an 02' 996 turbo over a brand new C6 ZO6?

· I agree that pumping up the NSX might not be the best idea, since the finished product will still be slower than a stock C6 ZO6.

· As a daily driver, do you think the ZO6 will be a better overall car than a supercharged NSX?

· The primary reason I am even considering the Evo 8 is because they are cheap to buy and modify into a relatively quick car. Also, I don't have to sell either of my existing cars.

Thanks again.

 

Keep the e39 for sure. (I'd say go for the e60 if you didn't already have a nice e39.)

I personally like the NSX, but if HP is what you're after then I'd pick the z06. However, considering you already have the NSX, and resale is likely to give you well below what you paid for it, I'd keep it. If you really must have a crazy car then go pick up an rx7 or similar and bolt on the biggest turbo you can find. :wroom:

 

Keep the e39 for sure. (I'd say go for the e60 if you didn't already have a nice e39.)

I personally like the NSX, but if HP is what you're after then I'd pick the z06. However, considering you already have the NSX, and resale is likely to give you well below what you paid for it, I'd keep it. If you really must have a crazy car then go pick up an rx7 or similar and bolt on the biggest turbo you can find. :wroom:

Hi Ted,

Do you think the 93-95 RX7s are a better choice than the Evo? What does a clean R1 or R2 go for these days?

I do not look forward to selling the NSX, because I know I will take a serious bath.

 

Hi Sandy,

If the E60 M5 costs you another $45k over your current E39 M5, I'd skip that in a heart beat. The E60 and the E39 have basically similar displacement and torque. The 505 HP happens way up at about 8,000 RPM. See how the E46 M3 has all the engine issues, I'd be scared of the first year E60. Remember, if you don't rev. that engine high, you don't get that HP. Even if you rev. high, you still have the same torque as your E39.

As for the other POWER sports car. It's true that the C6-ZO6 is loaded to bear, but the performance spec. is no better than the 996tt. I have to think that in the driving sensation and penache department, the 996tt would win out. If you want to avoid the first year ZO6, you're looking at 2006 to get that car. By then the 996tt will cost less than the Z06 for sure. In fact, you can get 00, or 01 996tt in the $70k range by now. So my two cents is keep your E39 M5, and add either a 996tt, or a Z06.

I have a similar combo. though my sports car is a RUF. I cannot think of a better combination than that.

CP

 

Hi CP,

Thanks for your comments.

By the way, I enjoyed reading about the overhaul you performed on the Ruf. That car is awesome. I hope the weather clears, so you can open it up for some serious fun.

I am having a hard time swallowing the premium necessary to have a V10 in the engine bay of my M5. It was helpful to read your analysis that the additional power in the V10 is primarily in the upper reaches of the power band.

I am leaning towards waiting at least 12 months to see how the first year ZO6 turns out. I look forward to reading actual test reports of the production version and better yet, a test drive. Before, I decide, I definitely will consider a clean low mileage 996 turbo w/ X50. I agree 100% that the Porsche is much classier and will probably have 95% of the ZO6's acceleration.

I hope the next 12 months go by fast.

Thanks again.

Sandy

Hi Sandy,

If the E60 M5 costs you another $45k over your current E39 M5, I'd skip that in a heart beat. The E60 and the E39 have basically similar displacement and torque. The 505 HP happens way up at about 8,000 RPM. See how the E46 M3 has all the engine issues, I'd be scared of the first year E60. Remember, if you don't rev. that engine high, you don't get that HP. Even if you rev. high, you still have the same torque as your E39.

As for the other POWER sports car. It's true that the C6-ZO6 is loaded to bear, but the performance spec. is no better than the 996tt. I have to think that in the driving sensation and penache department, the 996tt would win out. If you want to avoid the first year ZO6, you're looking at 2006 to get that car. By then the 996tt will cost less than the Z06 for sure. In fact, you can get 00, or 01 996tt in the $70k range by now. So my two cents is keep your E39 M5, and add either a 996tt, or a Z06.

I have a similar combo. though my sports car is a RUF. I cannot think of a better combination than that.

CP

 

I am having a hard time swallowing the premium necessary to have a V10 in the engine bay of my M5. It was helpful to read your analysis that the additional power in the V10 is primarily in the upper reaches of the power band.

Here's a comparison thread.

 

my 2 cents

Sandy,
I think you might get a slightly different response if you ask this question on a Vette board / E60 board, etc. That you asked it here is telling you something how you feel about the E39 M5.

I would keep the M5 and get the Z06- that is one hell of a serious vehicle. I think the only issue you might have is one of image and I think that is something that changes with the times and with the new C6 cars, I think GM has real winners on its hands. Ok, maybe the interiors could be a little nicer, but for the money you cannot beat them.


· Is the new M5’s increased performance and improvements worth an extra $50,000 over my existing 2000 M5?
I agree with CP's points and I would add that it seems to me the real advantages to the new M5 are under more extreme driving (like track) & also some more rear seat/ cargo space. But its not boat loads more space and I think the Z06 is a better track car, even though you have to be burdened with your own shifting. SMG is a hotly debated topic, but I find it too uninvolved for the street, but perfect for the track.

However, if you had a M5 & NSX, which would you track, or would you go to the track? The NSX is lighter and probably more nimble, the M5 has 2x the power and has a more track friendly transmission- but the brakes are another debated topic. IMHO the M5, while it can be tracked, is not really a track machine, while the NSX could be pretty awesome as a track machine.


· Does the new C6 ZO6’s near super car performance make it a better overall choice than my NSX?

I only drove a NSX once maybe it was 8 years ago. I cant say- but my guess is they are different animals. I would imagine the Z06 is a little heavier and more deliberate in how you have to drive it, while the NSX is probably a little more nimble feeling- but if I was just picking the two cars sitting there in front of me, Id take the Z06- just because its the latest thing out there and Id love to know how it handles.

· Should I get another 996 turbo versus the new C6 ZO6 even though the ZO6 will probably outperform the 996 in all performance aspects?
I have no idea. I would think the AWD would help the 911 in the 0-60 time. I think again, you have 2 different methods of achieving a goal. Which appeals to you more? I would not worry about numbers so much and worry more about feel and what sensations you enjoy.


· Or should I just keep my M5 and NSX and get a project/track car such as a Mitsubishi Evo 8 and modify the heck out of it?
It seems to me you really like the Z06, so in your position, I would see if I could get one of the first ones at list and if I didnt like it Id sell it while the market was still strong.

Just some random thoughts...

 

As someone who has owned a '96 C4 LT4 Corvette Coupe and a wide array of BMW M cars and other exotics, I can confidently say that they are all very different in character, but are all very fun to drive.

In my opinion, the ZO6 would be a lot more fun to drive than a 996TT (I used to own a '96 993TT). The Corvette is a brute that is easy to powerslide, and can be played with at low speeds. I had a smile on my face almost every time I took a corner in my 'Vette. For me the 996TT is too tame and refined to be a really outlandish toy like a Ferrari, Lotus or 'Vette, and if you already have an M5, then it makes sense that your second car will be an outlandish toy. Just my opinion, and sorry but I am not a Porsche guy.

Cheers, Daniel.