Green.. DO IT!
No clear coat for factory matte finish. Meaning anything oil based or even water based can ruin the matte finish. You can't run it thorough car washes, can't wax or seal the car....there's a specific hand wash only regiment with specific products from the factory.Why is it hard to maintain?
It just doesn't seem feasible, to never mechanically correct and never coat the paint - the effort to remove bugs/tar etc. without instilling any love marks into the paint. I know you mentioned having been in the high-end detail game and I'm sure you know quite a bit me and my little Porter Cable, so interested in your thoughts. I like the carpro ceramic coatings and have read great things about Gyeon and see they have a Q2 coating developed specifically for matte.No clear coat for factory matte finish. Meaning anything oil based or even water based can ruin the matte finish. You can't run it thorough car washes, can't wax or seal the car....there's a specific hand wash only regiment with specific products from the factory.
There's a saying...takes money/time/effort to look pretty LOL. Whether it's buffing out clear coat or a strict hand wash only policy for non-clear coat paint... LOL. Long before manufacturers used clear coat, wax was really the only product that protected your paint from harsh environmental factors like dirt/grime/oil/UV. Without wax, paint oxidizes. With the introduction of clear coat, you basically extended the life of the finish on the car to withstand those harsh environmental factors. A traditional clear coat is intended to fill any divots or minor dips that is created by the rough pigment found in the paint. This creates a smoother surface, with added depth. This is what produces the gloss appearance. It also allowed the ability to "correct" the paint - without actually removing the multiple layers of paint because it's really the clearcoat that you're correcting. The matte paint job finish also includes a clear coating, but not the traditional clear coat. However, instead of filling and leveling the imperfect paint, it creates small dimples in the final coating. This prevents the paint from reflecting light and thus, creates a dull or matte finish. The myth that you can't wax a matte finish (factory matte finish) is true. The oils and other ingredients when applied to a matte finish will basically leave oil residue and all sorts of slimy messes. The reason why you can't take it to a car wash or use just any off the shelf car shampoo, is because they all include some type of wax finish, or oil based ingredients and other "optical brighteners". That's why there is a strict regiment of manufacturer approved products to maintain a matte finish.It just doesn't seem feasible, to never mechanically correct and never coat the paint - the effort to remove bugs/tar etc. without instilling any love marks into the paint. I know you mentioned having been in the high-end detail game and I'm sure you know quite a bit me and my little Porter Cable, so interested in your thoughts. I like the carpro ceramic coatings and have read great things about Gyeon and see they have a Q2 coating developed specifically for matte.
But I just can't imagine not tearing up paint that is without any coating nor the ability to mechanically correct.
HAHAHAH oh man. don't get me started on boats/yachts. We expanded our business to cater to yachts and super yachts. That's where the real money is....but that's also where the real labor begins. For some of these super yachts, you're dangling on a tiny seat buffing out the hull that has the equivalent surface area of a ****ing football field. We invested in rock climbing/rappelling gear...our own dinghy to tie up next to super yacht hulls. Our smallest yacht was a 72', our biggest one was 141'. But for jobs like that, not a fixed rate, but hourly per crew. A super yacht that was 141' took a 6 man crew over 3 weeks. We did the hull, all the teak work, the super structure.... it was INSANE. All on the water, during the summer....exhausting. But for that 141'...I ended up charging the owner $60,000. LOL. But boy, did it look good. Unfortunately, he wouldn't let us take pictures of our work and the dude paid in CASH. I was so tempted to not "report" that transaction...oh the things we could have done with that. "MAKE IT RAIN" LOL. But, my accountant....forced me to report it to the IRS. F#cker.Thank you for the time spent on that post, utterly fantastic and full of information. I frequent the autogeek forums and always liked watching the longer ammo videos where he'd get the opportunity to do a dream project (especially the McLaren F1 longtail and McLaren MP4 forumula 1 projects). One of these days I'll buy a Rupes Bigfoot or Flex 3401 as the Porter Cable is getting a bit weak for correction I'd like to achieve but I just don't like the risk of using the rotary and the holograms to go back and correct in the end, that nasty beast is reserved for the boat's gel coat. This is where I got after about 10-15 hours spread out over a couple of weeks (LC Orange and White Pads, Menzerna 2500 and 3000 respectively and 2 coats of original CQuartz as the LSP).
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With that being said, I can see exactly what you're saying about the difference in depth (and that "wet look") when I compare your pictures to mine. I tell people ceramic coating looks like you wrap a layer of glass around your car and is very cool, but is not that traditional depth of other coatings. It's best for me, because I'm mechanic, detailer and most importantly DRIVER of my car (and sometimes that F80 in the background when the lady is good and happy with me lol) and I just can't keep the paint 100% between four cars and still work and raise 3 kids.
Now, my last question for you and what could have made that Ferrari quite the nervous job. I've read Ferrari was so keen for weight savings on the F40 they used such little paint it was transparent in some places and the emblems were stickers rather than actual emblems. Fact or fiction?!
Yo yo @AmstaffM5 - of course I remember you. I came to you with that C63 that was sitting at my local BMW dealership hahaha. I guess I'm not surprised on the low stock of the C63S...the last of the V8s has really pushed the demand super high! Personally, I'm not a big fan of the new 8 series...I don't know what it is. I think I'm just too biased, having grown up drooling over the E31 8 series...especially with the big V12 in the 850CSi, the new 8 series just don't do it for me. To each their own.@kimcheebowl
Not commenting on the color choice - lol. Nice pics of your detailing past - thanks for those.
Back to business, have you ordered your 2022 M5 CS yet? Any eta on build/delivery time?
You may recall, we traded a couple of PMs a month or so back about me looking of a new M-Benz C63s - I am yet to find one locally,(I have a family member at a Benz dealership, so decent "deals", but no stock, none available). 2021 being the last year of the V8s in the C63s. I have but given up.
Now looking at an E63s wagon, M850i, M5 or M8 - kinda in that order. Availability for exactly what you want seems to suck right now. I am aware of the semi-conductor bottle-neck too.
How is your order looking? Good luck!