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UPDATE on SMG

I think this is good news. BMW is going to warranty the parts and all I have to do is pay for the labor. Since my car does have mods, is 2000 miles out of warranty, this is ok with me. Yes, I know that they should honor the whole thing since I did make comments about a possible problem with the tranny prior to the warranty being up. But I am satisfied with their decision. I guess buying cars from them since 1985 made a difference.
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I will post again with what they find out. I guess per Jim Colley post that they are simply replacing 1/2 the trans since they are not sure what is wrong, is now a good deal for me. Or unless they found out it is something simple like a 300 dollar part, than it's not a good deal. <o:p></o:p>
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Will be back in touch as I will have my car back by this Friday the 10th at the latest. <o:p></o:p>
 

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It would be cool to see a sticky made that details everything you should look for when you get the tranny malfunction code. A list of things to go through even when codes are pulled and you can show your Indy shop the list or even BMW since so many people dont know what to do.
 

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Trans Fixed

BMW did warranty the parts to get this fixed. They charged me for the labor, which was just ok in my opinion, but better than the first estimate. Labor cost was 850 to pull out the tranny and replace the SMG hydraulic pump. There was a 450 charge to find the problem from day one. Total labor out of my pocket was 1300 bucks. I have included some pictures during the process and an explanation of what they did and the faults they found. Glad this is over, the car was in the hospital for 2 weeks.
 

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Hello friends,

To put things under a wider perspective, I will dare to say the following :

I can't and will not accept any excuse on Bmw's part for this severe issue with the SMG trans.

Having more than enough experience with other high profile car manufacturers, I must bluntly state here, that the approach of Bmw on such a DEFECTIVE UNIT is unacceptable.
For instance :
Porsche has a very well known issue with the 997 Carrera models built in 2005. It is called IMS ( intermediate shaft ) failure. If IMS fails the engine is gone in seconds.

EVEN THOUGH 8 years have gone by since 2005, if an IMS failure comes up, EVEN IN CARS which were recalled back then, Porsche takes the hit and pays for a brand new engine
( parts and labor ), no questions asked.

NOW, THAT is what I call responsibility.

George
 

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All I know is when my smg pump fails, NAC covers it so im going to just order a clutch position sensor(if thats not covered i'll have to check) and I may just order a new clutch/flywheel as well since i'll end up saving thousands in the long run by replacing both of those while the tranny is pulled.
 

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Hello friends,

To put things under a wider perspective, I will dare to say the following :

I can't and will not accept any excuse on Bmw's part for this severe issue with the SMG trans.

Having more than enough experience with other high profile car manufacturers, I must bluntly state here, that the approach of Bmw on such a DEFECTIVE UNIT is unacceptable.
For instance :
Porsche has a very well known issue with the 997 Carrera models built in 2005. It is called IMS ( intermediate shaft ) failure. If IMS fails the engine is gone in seconds.

EVEN THOUGH 8 years have gone by since 2005, if an IMS failure comes up, EVEN IN CARS which were recalled back then, Porsche takes the hit and pays for a brand new engine
( parts and labor ), no questions asked.

NOW, THAT is what I call responsibility.

George
George,

First of all it is great to see you back on the board. I think I read somewhere that you bought your M6 back too.

I wish that BMW would take more accountability for the SMG issues even post warranty. I was fortunate to have bought a warranty for my issue, but really wish that BMW would step up.

Great to see you posting again.

Josh
 

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George,

First of all it is great to see you back on the board. I think I read somewhere that you bought your M6 back too.

I wish that BMW would take more accountability for the SMG issues even post warranty. I was fortunate to have bought a warranty for my issue, but really wish that BMW would step up.

Great to see you posting again.

Josh
Thank you Josh !
Good to be with the family again.

George:M5thumbs:
 

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great info on these boards , I have the same symptoms , shifting hard , hot day , week after 700 mile ride straight , car dies out in 2nd gear 8k rpm doesnt go into gear , grinding noise, smells burnt , doesnt come out of neutral , misses a shift and goes dead as me and my buddy pulling into dealership to buy an E55amg lol . towed it to shop and looked at it 2 weeks later car drove fine cannot reproduce the error after several miles and test driving. they could not tell by the faults what the actual issue is , they said the faults show SMG pump over heating but not sure if it was caused by something else. they dont know where to start and want my advice , I say drop the clutch , replace with spec-sst , change the pump and also the clutch pos sensor since its all removed , they will do it for 4500 all parts and labor and diag which they spent 3 hours so far .

Do you guys think I should do all of this stuff at once so I dont have to drop the tranny later on ? Or should I have them drop trans and inspect the parts and make the call depending on how they look ? car has 30k miles all original parts ? let me know your thoughts guys thanks . car still in shop waiting for the word. oh and a dam taillight thats gonna cost me 700 installed wtf lol ....
 

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Josh,

I received your dead PLCD yesterday and was a little surprised when I opened the package. It all seemed much cleaner that I would have thought even though it's supposed to be a dry sensor. I guess I though there would be more road grime or such on it.

You must not get it out much in the nasty weather! :m5thumbs:

I was a little skeptical at first seeing all the connectors, but then remembered the largest connector also carries the pressure/temperature sensor wiring. It just runs along inside the wrap and then jumps back out again before the PLCD. So, since it's only a 4-wire system to the PLCD itself, maybe I'll be able to figure out how it's supposed to work. I have a dead (blown o-ring) slave cylinder from another board member, so maybe I can connect the two up and supply a voltage and see the readings. At any rate, I'll start a thread and post pics when I have some spare time.

Thanks again :)

Edit: And lookee what I just found:
http://www.te.com/automotive/sensors/pictures_products/clutchpositionsensor9.jpg

http://www.te.com/en/industries/automotive/browse-products/sensors/clutch-sensors/clutch-position-sensor7.html

http://www.te.com/en/industries/automotive/browse-products/sensors/clutch-sensors/clutch-position-sensor3.html
Hi jcolley,

A few years passed after you did the autopsy, but the issue is still actual.

Did you or anyone actually figure out what is the real issue with them? Is it done dirt inside or wiring? Any way to fix the sensor?

I'm very skeptical about the failure as well, and paying $500 ( a price of a whole iPhone with like a hundred of sensors ) is a bit odd
 
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