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With all of the new members joining our ranks lately, I thought I would make up a "how to search" tutorial. You know, since I am the Captain of the Search Police....... LOL...... I am going to give a few examples on searching, in several different forms. Really I just want to introduce people to the search page and how to navigate it. It is much easier to search, find your topic, read the information that you are looking for, than to start a new thread and wait hours or even days for someone to answer your question.

Let's start with just a general search......

Here I go to the main page and generally search for "Timmayfest"



Here are my results. As you can see, there are a lot, most of which do not have anything to do with Timmayfest. When you do a general search, it will give you every thread that has the word Timmayfest in it, starting with the most recent posting of the word "Timmayfest". This is not the most effecient way to search.....






Here is a more effecient way to search:


If I wanted to search about putting a rear set of wheels on the front of my car, here is what I would do.
First I go to the E39 M5 forum, where I want to look for my information. I then bring up the "Search this Forum" tab, and click on the "Advanced Search" button.




This is the main search page. There are quite a few opitions to choose from. I want to seach "rear wheels" to generalize my search a bit. Below the search field there is a tab with 2 choices - "Search Entire Posts" or "Search Titles Only". I like to use "Search Titles Only" that way the threads that are given have my search field words in the title of the thread.





Ready to click SEARCH




Here are my results:

There are a lot of threads displayed, but what we really want to pay attention to are the "Replies" and the "Views" count. USUALLY those are the threads with the most information in them. The higher the count, the more people have paid attention to them, which usually means the best discussions on that topic are within.







Check out a few of the other features, play around with them and see what you can find.....





Let's do another example. Let's say your name was "Steve", and you wanted to see what a cetain member has said about you lately. You can use the search function to find out. (Using "Steve" as the search field is just an example. You can use anything, "flywheel", "supercharger", what ever, to see if a certain member has been talking about it recently......

Here we go:

I am going to see if user "Timmay77" has used the word "Steve" in any of his posts lately. I am searching the "Entire Post" in the "E39 M5 subforum" and I want my results displayed as "Posts".






My Results:




The Post:








Let's do one more. I now want to look for the word "Clutch". I am going to search "Titles Only" in the "E39 M5 Subforum" and I want the threads displayed to have "At Least 50 Replies" and I want my results shown as "Threads".






My Results:










There you have it, that is how I use the search funtion. I am sure others have their own methods, but I have found this works very well for me. You have to use the correct key words, and search the right fields to get the best results so you don't spend hours sorting through a thousand threads. The less "New Threads" we have, the easier it will be to search. I'm not saying you shouldn't start a new thread, just not on a topic that has been discussed over and over and over. Find the older thread, and bump it up if you have a new question. That way all of the information stays in one thread. That way the next person looking for that information can find it all in one location.

Others have used google to search.....

FWIW, I've found the most effective way to search is to use google. This is particularly helpful when searching for things like Peake codes which generally fall below the threshold of the forum search engine.

For instance: [URL]http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rear+wheels+front+spacer+site%3Am5board.com%2Fvbulletin%2Fe39-m5-e52-z8-discussion[/URL]


Veteran old grumpy guys like myself, feel free to add some of your input here if you like.......

Thank you for your time,

Tim
 

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That's a cracking post Timmay and a thread worthy of the Stickies I reckon. There's plenty in there I know I hadn't bothered to educate myself on, for sure. Like even narrowing the search down to the E39 forum, for example, that will save me time. Even some of the simpler bits should help those unfamiliar with the function.

Many thanks again. :)
 

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Spot on, Tim! I agree that the Serch function can be tedious at times but it will get the job done and the techniques above will certainly help some people. I am a big fan of using Google sometimes using the "site:m5board.com your search terms here" search command. What's cool is the "site:xxxx.com command can be used for bimmerforums, m3fourm, etc.
 

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Spot on, Tim! I agree that the Serch function can be tedious at times but it will get the job done and the techniques above will certainly help some people. I am a big fan of using Google sometimes using the "site:m5board.com your search terms here" search command. What's cool is the "site:xxxx.com command can be used for bimmerforums, m3fourm, etc.
Sometimes it does make sense to try both methods when you can't nail down what you are looking for. However, what Tim has shown with advanced search is THE ONLY way to attempt a search on this or any other site -- you must narrow down what you are looking for, often search for a term in the title only, and then force the search to only look in the subforum that makes sense. For those that are google-unaware, they can try this link to see how google will handle a request for "E39 rear wheels on front" on this site. :)
 

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Now why can't I find anything about "oil consumption"? Sorry, bad joke.

hiha


Great post. I am not sure that I agree 100% with the 50 replies filter; a lot of great information is found in threads with few responses and there is a lot of junk in threads with lots of replies. YMMV.
 

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Sometimes it does make sense to try both methods when you can't nail down what you are looking for. However, what Tim has shown with advanced search is THE ONLY way to attempt a search on this or any other site -- you must narrow down what you are looking for, often search for a term in the title only, and then force the search to only look in the subforum that makes sense. For those that are google-unaware, they can try this link to see how google will handle a request for "E39 rear wheels on front" on this site. :)
Great thread!

The board advanced search is the only way to do some things, but I use google extensively to search this and similar forums using the site: nomenclature and you can at least narrow your results to a subforum on a site like this one simply by including the full subforum path like-

site:www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/ "rear wheels on front"

Unless I'm searching for posts by a specific user I generally use google to search this forum because it's faster and easier to modify search terms.
 

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I came here to post a "joke" about finding an oil thread. It looks like I got beat to the punch..

Thanks Tim for posting this up! Hopefully it will save us from a number of unnecessary threads being started. Any way we can make new members read this before they are allowed to even post a thread?? Initiation?
 

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Thanks Tim.

Awesome post.
 

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I'll add a few more (serious) thoughts:

THINK about the information you are seeking, and THINK about what WORDS people might use in conjunction with this topic. NOT SENTENCES necessarily, but what is the absolute minimum set of terms you seek.

Once you've accomplished the technical mastery Timmay points out, the TERMS are the 'art' in this process (google too)...

Use quotes when you MUST have to words in your answer- like "brake pads" or "air filter" (this is a trivial example, but sometimes you have common words that will turn up many hits but when you combine them it drastically narrows your search.)

Use the initial results of your FIRST search to help you think about the subject and maybe rethink how YOU are approaching the search. This is the hardest thing for newbs: their conceptual ideas are not in 'BMW Speak"...keep at it, rethink it.

Lets talk about tightening up THIS thread and maybe stickying it or incorporating it into the FAQ!

Any more tips????


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Look the search engine is a great tool and sure lots of get way of getting information on this site thanks to the timmister <?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600">:applause:</v:shapetype>
<v:shapetype stroked="f" filled="f" path="[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@[email protected]@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"></v:shapetype>But let's get our feet back on the ground, this post will end up on the 3rd,4th,50th page later and even if it doesn' folks will still post questions/concerns that may have been posted once before. Let's help those who needs help, maybe give them some links they could read on past postings and get on with it. Many folks here have some great advise without boasting about it and some have good stories to share.
Just because someone is a "noob" on this site doesn’t mean anything, there just new to the BEAST.:M5launch:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" /><o:p></o:p>
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Damn, man, clean up that taskbar!

And windows xp default theme? COME ON!
Work PC man, I wouldn't be awake at 4am and working on this if I were at home. I'm not that dedicated. Lol.
 

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I think the real problem is that most newbs are too lazy to use the search feature and just start a thread because they think it's easier and don't want to work to find the answers. Anyone with half a brain can see the button and figure out how to use it; it's more about having the motivation to dig through all of the posts and find what you're looking for. Most newbs don't want to do that, so they post a thread hoping they'll get the answer right away. In reality, they could get it much quicker just by using the search.

BTW, this should be stickied so newbs don't have to search for it. :rofl:
 

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I think the real problem is that most newbs are too lazy to use the search feature and just start a thread because they think it's easier and don't want to work to find the answers. Anyone with half a brain can see the button and figure out how to use it; it's more about having the motivation to dig through all of the posts and find what you're looking for. Most newbs don't want to do that, so they post a thread hoping they'll get the answer right away. In reality, they could get it much quicker just by using the search.

BTW, this should be stickied so newbs don't have to search for it. :rofl:
Another problem is people making threads and not making a good title for it.
 

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Sticky material! :thumbsup:
 

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