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I've got a tough decision to make .......

This is my third E34 M5. They've all been great cars. Costly but great. But, they feel their age, don't you think? You can't show a clean pair of heels to 99% of other cars on the road like you could when the car was current.

And, this is the big 'and', I need new EDC dampers all round. Is it worth £2500 to keep this car going. It still brings a smile to my face ... the 4 car overtaking manoeuvers on the A road going to work in the morning ... the mechanical whir of the straight six when it's on cam ...... the fact that an E39 M5 can't lose me in the wet no matter how hard it tries.

And its running up 190k kms now. There's the rattles and squeaks which drive me mad. The auto air con is noisey and takes half an hour to heat up the car in the winter. The appalling steering box contraption which makes the car feel so woolley in a straight line (but it always did didn't it ... why couldn't they have put rack and pinion in the car?).

But, I've just put new rear rubber on. I was running slicks and never knew. And, the car pulls oh so sweetly again. The engine's still so strong and tight.

But, I need dampers. I've forgotten what a good M5 feels like. Was it as good as I remember? The decay had been so gradual that I've forgotten what one feels like when its on song, being able to throw it around with abandon.

What should I do? Is it worth it? I need help!

I need reasons to spend this money!
 

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I've got a tough decision to make .......

This is my third E34 M5. They've all been great cars. Costly but great. But, they feel their age, don't you think? You can't show a clean pair of heels to 99% of other cars on the road like you could when the car was current.

And, this is the big 'and', I need new EDC dampers all round. Is it worth £2500 to keep this car going. It still brings a smile to my face ... the 4 car overtaking manoeuvers on the A road going to work in the morning ... the mechanical whir of the straight six when it's on cam ...... the fact that an E39 M5 can't lose me in the wet no matter how hard it tries.

And its running up 190k kms now. There's the rattles and squeaks which drive me mad. The auto air con is noisey and takes half an hour to heat up the car in the winter. The appalling steering box contraption which makes the car feel so woolley in a straight line (but it always did didn't it ... why couldn't they have put rack and pinion in the car?).

But, I've just put new rear rubber on. I was running slicks and never knew. And, the car pulls oh so sweetly again. The engine's still so strong and tight.

But, I need dampers. I've forgotten what a good M5 feels like. Was it as good as I remember? The decay had been so gradual that I've forgotten what one feels like when its on song, being able to throw it around with abandon.

What should I do? Is it worth it? I need help!

I need reasons to spend this money!
Well I may be a little biased as I purchased a Touring in Sep 04 and I think the cars are great.

I also need to replace the dampers at one point as well as the brakes but then that is the price that I am prepared to pay for a discret supercar - estate.

The ventalation problem could be down to the "famous microfilter" issue which I got to change late last year over the Christmas break. Since then the ventlation in the car has been great, also the speed with which the car heats up is almost instant also the noisy climate is probably due to the fan pulling through a blocked microfilter as I and others have had the same thing - now with a new filter most of the time I only use the lowest or no fan to ventilate the car.

For the squeaks and rattles even newer cars have these a guy I know with an RS4 has squeaks and rattles and that is a car about 5 -7 years younger than our cars.

As for the speed there may be another issues which is beyond my knowledge but I would get it checked out by a specialist, not a "stealership" as there are a number of very good one's out there......

Good luck with your decision.....also one other question what would replace it with ....RS4 - fast but too bland, RS6 - Better but expensive (and if you think the BMW is expensive just try an Audi!) E55 estate .... old mans car IMHO auto only (new version around £60,000+).

Have fun

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Thanks Simon!

I'm feeling slighly better. You're right, of course. What do I replace it with?

Anyone else out there with reasons to keep this car?
 

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Thanks Simon!

I'm feeling slighly better. You're right, of course. What do I replace it with?

Anyone else out there with reasons to keep this car?
If the car is generally good & not requiring other suspension & bodywork then dump the EDC in its entirety & fit a conventional aftermarket performance suspension kit like Hartge, Dinan & Eibach have made or currently make.

Kurt Ramsden & many others have trod this path & it appears to be a smart move.
The car will have generally firm damper rates but you will half your costs including fitting & that is just compared to the parts cost of EDC. Add labour to fit & it is a no brainer.
I would have gone this route if I had more than one damper fail at any time.
Unfortunately, it has always been one at a time..

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Don't forget Garcia has a fix for the rears and is working on the fronts;

Info at url: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=47942

I'd personally stick with the original EDC setup, it really is a superb suspension set up.







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If the car is generally good & not requiring other suspension & bodywork then dump the EDC in its entirety & fit a conventional aftermarket performance suspension kit like Hartge, Dinan & Eibach have made or currently make.

Kurt Ramsden & many others have trod this path & it appears to be a smart move.
The car will have generally firm damper rates but you will half your costs including fitting & that is just compared to the parts cost of EDC. Add labour to fit & it is a no brainer.
I would have gone this route if I had more than one damper fail at any time.
Unfortunately, it has always been one at a time..

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Don't forget Garcia has a fix for the rears and is working on the fronts;

Info at url: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=47942

I'd personally stick with the original EDC setup, it really is a superb suspension set up.
I think my choice is for the original dampers but I think it is very much personal choice Kurt, another board member, and although I have not driven the car by all accounts it is very good on the "fixed" suspension.

For my choice I will stick with the standard EDC but I think it is only about choice there is no wrong way or right way...IMHO

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I've got a tough decision to make .......

This is my third E34 M5. They've all been great cars. Costly but great. But, they feel their age, don't you think? You can't show a clean pair of heels to 99% of other cars on the road like you could when the car was current.

And, this is the big 'and', I need new EDC dampers all round. Is it worth £2500 to keep this car going. It still brings a smile to my face ... the 4 car overtaking manoeuvers on the A road going to work in the morning ... the mechanical whir of the straight six when it's on cam ...... the fact that an E39 M5 can't lose me in the wet no matter how hard it tries.

And its running up 190k kms now. There's the rattles and squeaks which drive me mad. The auto air con is noisey and takes half an hour to heat up the car in the winter. The appalling steering box contraption which makes the car feel so woolley in a straight line (but it always did didn't it ... why couldn't they have put rack and pinion in the car?).

But, I've just put new rear rubber on. I was running slicks and never knew. And, the car pulls oh so sweetly again. The engine's still so strong and tight.

But, I need dampers. I've forgotten what a good M5 feels like. Was it as good as I remember? The decay had been so gradual that I've forgotten what one feels like when its on song, being able to throw it around with abandon.

What should I do? Is it worth it? I need help!

I need reasons to spend this money!

Hi!!!
How about having a totally unique car which is hand-built in only 891 examples. (and it still DOES blow away a lot of the cars on the road, just not with completely the same confidence as in 92-95).

Cheers

Sakke
(A fellow touring owner)
 

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This is helping ... oh yes! I'm nearly there. I might just order up some new front dampers at Munich Legends and see how it goes. The car is getting dangerous now.

See if we can't just conjure up some of that old majic!!!!!
 

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This is helping ... oh yes! I'm nearly there. I might just order up some new front dampers at Munich Legends and see how it goes. The car is getting dangerous now.

See if we can't just conjure up some of that old majic!!!!!
Smokestack
By all means let ML order them, but you will pay full retail plus vat...!
You can get better prices from a BMW dealer than ML.

As for fitting, ML has lower labour rates but it seems to take them longer to do things & then its wrong or something else gets damaged in the process.

I am not a fan, I am not impartial.... But I have been at the receiving end of their antics.

Keep the Touring but consider steering clear of ML.


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I can get the front dampers for £399 + VAT from William Jacks BMW (Sunningdale) ask for Steve Edwards tel: 01344 630420 and mention me, Brian, fellow E34 M5 enthusiasts.




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Smokestack
By all means let ML order them, but you will pay full retail plus vat...!
You can get better prices from a BMW dealer than ML.

As for fitting, ML has lower labour rates but it seems to take them longer to do things & then its wrong or something else gets damaged in the process.

I am not a fan, I am not impartial.... But I have been at the receiving end of their antics.

Keep the Touring but consider steering clear of ML.


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Thanks Farrell, thanks Yewcorner!

I'm impartial when it comes to ML, although I've spend a fortune in the past servicing various M's there. Always expensive! I think I spent over 8K on my E30 M3 there over the years.

I think I'll cancel that ML booking and go with your connection Yewcorner. That's £150 saved already! Use my local BMW specialist to fit them.

Thanks guys! I just want to feel how good the car can be again. Then, I know, I'll want to throw £2K on paint at it!!!! Oh no!
 

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Well thanks alot Brian! And, thanks to Steve who is a really helpful guy.

New fronts ordered at £435 incl. each!!!!!!! That's a significant saving!

Rears are £368 incl.!!!! Total dampers for £1606 incl. makes looking after one these old girls a lot more palatable.

I'm chuffed!
 

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Well thanks alot Brian! And, thanks to Steve who is a really helpful guy.
New fronts ordered at £435 incl. each!!!!!!! That's a significant saving!
Rears are £368 incl.!!!! Total dampers for £1606 incl. makes looking after one these old girls a lot more palatable.
I'm chuffed!
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that is VERY interesting because I recently checked with BMW Group
(Gothenburg) and the rate for a rear damper is presently SEK 6.000 = which
is appr GBP 500/each !!! perhaps we can purchase these from the UK instead :M5thumbs: where does this shop (?), dealer (?) get the parts from
BMW ??? or BOGE/SACHS ??? -
this is HOT and needs to be looked at closer :typing:
as this is a matter of mutual interest to all of us...... is it not ?? :typing: ??????
 

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Karl,

These parts are from a main BMW dealer and the parts guy is just doing us a favour I think. I wouldn't mention it to other main dealers just in case!
 

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I think he must have done them at cost? I bought one for the £399 + VAT; and I asked if he could a deal for 'London mike' as we had gone through a few dampers between us (long story? Don't ask!), andway he said he could do it for £375!!

Nice one Smokestack, I'm seeing Steve on Friday (Picking up vacuum hosing) and will thank him very much and tell him he may expect more business from the rest of the group. Well worth the half case of red wine at Christmas!!




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Well thanks alot Brian! And, thanks to Steve who is a really helpful guy.

New fronts ordered at £435 incl. each!!!!!!! That's a significant saving!

Rears are £368 incl.!!!! Total dampers for £1606 incl. makes looking after one these old girls a lot more palatable.

I'm chuffed!
 

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Brian, thanks again!

I think Steve may be getting a run on dampers now. I told ML how much I was getting them for when I cancelled the order (although didn't tell them where from!), and they told me they couldn't even buy them for that. Who knows?

More power to Steve!
 

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ML would have to buy them from the dealerships with whatever discount they could muster. They wouldn't have a direct realtionship with BMW.

Just a thought, did you get all the other bits to go with it as per the diagram here: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=HC92&mospid=47387&prod=19920900&btnr=31_0229&hg=31&fg=10&PHPSESSID=3dbbeb3f7f271c0bbb5b8cf882542e26

Including the top mount? Maybe worth checking your history to see when these were last changed? I changed the lot bar the spring. Not to much extra cost, but saves you having to remove the damper in 6 months time?





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Brian, thanks again!

I think Steve may be getting a run on dampers now. I told ML how much I was getting them for when I cancelled the order (although didn't tell them where from!), and they told me they couldn't even buy them for that. Who knows?

More power to Steve!
 

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Cheers Brian!

ML order their parts from Germany apparently.

Is the top mount part 1 on the diagram? I might just order everything bar that and 08 and 09 - mine's a 95 Touring.
 

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Yes its number one, its the same part on the touring as well. Take a look at your history, they are generally changed when the damper is changed as the wheel bearing is (these aren't cheap about £150 inc VAT). I guess all your history will be in German? but you can still look for the part numbers?

Cheers

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Cheers Brian!

ML order their parts from Germany apparently.

Is the top mount part 1 on the diagram? I might just order everything bar that and 08 and 09 - mine's a 95 Touring.
 

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The saga continues! I don't know whether it's getting better or worse.

Yesterday, my car was in my local BMW specialist (not M specialist) because I had asked him to replace any rubber linkages/bushings on the front supsension and the rear sub-frame mount bushings (excuse me if I've got the terms wrong!). He had previously assured me that this could not be causing the extremely bad handling and ride quality, but I asked him to do it anyway as it was something I remmeber being done quite regularly on previous Ms I had owned.

Well, well, well! I pick up the car this morning and find that 90% of the tramlining is gone, it's braking in a straight line, nearly all 'banging' from uneven road surfaces is gone and the car is infinitely quieter! I don't think the dampers have gone. Trouble is I've ordered a pair from Steve. When I got the car 4 or 5 years ago, ML said the dampers were 'weeping' and should be replaced. I'm not sure now.

But, after 2 miles I got a 'Suspension Levelling' warning. Car feels fine though. Don't know if the mechanic's done something wrong.

Farrell - thanks. I got him to change the microfilter and the auto aircon is like a hurricane. I was sweating coming in to work. Completely quiet again as well. Thanks again.
 
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