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Were the following on this years rally or is Max pulling our chain as usual?

Jay Kay
Quetin Tarantino
Johnny Knoxville
Rob Kenworthy.

Anyone have any idea of who did not make it to Monaco and if they were OK (just broke down).

I have been trying to keep up with this years rally but all the forums seem to be occupied by scooby or evo drivers going through puberty. Very little gumball chat seen really. Best qualilty news is here on M5board so keep it up guys and gals.:M5launch:
 

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Billy Whiz said:
Were the following on this years rally or is Max pulling our chain as usual?

Jay Kay
Quetin Tarantino
Johnny Knoxville
Rob Kenworthy.

Anyone have any idea of who did not make it to Monaco and if they were OK (just broke down).

I have been trying to keep up with this years rally but all the forums seem to be occupied by scooby or evo drivers going through puberty. Very little gumball chat seen really. Best qualilty news is here on M5board so keep it up guys and gals.:M5launch:
Dont forget "50 cent" please.
 

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Billy Whiz said:
Were the following on this years rally or is Max pulling our chain as usual?

Jay Kay
Quetin Tarantino
Johnny Knoxville
Rob Kenworthy.

Anyone have any idea of who did not make it to Monaco and if they were OK (just broke down).

I have been trying to keep up with this years rally but all the forums seem to be occupied by scooby or evo drivers going through puberty. Very little gumball chat seen really. Best qualilty news is here on M5board so keep it up guys and gals.:M5launch:
I havent read anything to lead me to believe that any of the above participated in actual driving. The only celeb I've seen in pics at various stages is Daryl H. (Although I think its suspect if she's done any real driving).

But this is par for the course when it comes to pre-gumball hype. Sh*T Nicholas Cage was suppose to have participated in the 02 Gumball that I did. And I know for fact he wasn't there.

Cheers
Skieman

BTW- I have an 04 Subaru STi with some tasteful mods and take offense that all scooby drivers are going through puberty. I'm just a 38 old that sometimes acts like a 25 year old :thumbsup: (And when I take delivery of my M5 I might even act like a 20 year old.)
 

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Hi Skieman, no offence intended. Just got p****d off at the kimble chat room being full of Scooby/Evo/Skyline drivers talking crap about anything other tahn the Gumball. I am sure that good old Kimble did not intend his chat room for that.

I too have done the GB and found no celebs on that were said to be on it by Max himself. Are you doing it next year ? I am hoping to but Max seems to be cherry picking his entrants.
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I havent read anything to lead me to believe that any of the above participated in actual driving. The only celeb I've seen in pics at various stages is Daryl H. (Although I think its suspect if she's done any real driving).

But this is par for the course when it comes to pre-gumball hype. Sh*T Nicholas Cage was suppose to have participated in the 02 Gumball that I did. And I know for fact he wasn't there.

Cheers
Skieman

BTW- I have an 04 Subaru STi with some tasteful mods and take offense that all scooby drivers are going through puberty. I'm just a 38 old that sometimes acts like a 25 year old :thumbsup: (And when I take delivery of my M5 I might even act like a 20 year old.)
 

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Hi Skieman, no offence intended. Just got p****d off at the kimble chat room being full of Scooby/Evo/Skyline drivers talking crap about anything other tahn the Gumball. I am sure that good old Kimble did not intend his chat room for that.
Billy, You must have been to the wrong chat room? :)
I am online 50% of the time and all I read is GUMBALL and GUMBALL.
But if something went wrong I like to appologise and kindly ask you to try it again next year. kinggf

TO everybody else, who missed the chats, I am going to post all the chat logs of the last few days on our forum soon. Very funny storries from Gumballers, first hand. Just search for Pigginell in the logs. :2:
 

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I know I was in the right place Kim. I was not online all the time for the same reasons I was not in the rally itself (business) (funds the cars though) this year but at times it was fully of Max Power types. Cheers for arranging that chat room though Kim, bloody fantastic to get live feed from the teams and up to date news from them. You are a star and missed on the rally I am sure. I fancy a go on your rally. Is it definitely going to happen. Can we get our TOP GUMBALLERS ANT AND PETE on it too?

Great job Kimble and love your work.



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Billy, You must have been to the wrong chat room? :)
I am online 50% of the time and all I read is GUMBALL and GUMBALL.
But if something went wrong I like to appologise and kindly ask you to try it again next year. kinggf

TO everybody else, who missed the chats, I am going to post all the chat logs of the last few days on our forum soon. Very funny storries from Gumballers, first hand. Just search for Pigginell in the logs. :2:
 

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I know I was in the right place Kim. I was not online all the time for the same reasons I was not in the rally itself (business) (funds the cars though) this year but at times it was fully of Max Power types. Cheers for arranging that chat room though Kim, bloody fantastic to get live feed from the teams and up to date news from them. You are a star and missed on the rally I am sure. I fancy a go on your rally. Is it definitely going to happen. Can we get our TOP GUMBALLERS ANT AND PETE on it too?

Great job Kimble and love your work.
Ant & Pete were one of the first to sign up for the UR. They are in for sure and ofcoz UR is happening. Everything is in place and preparations are running smoothly.

Ant & Pete just confirmed to me on the phone that Alex Roy arrived first in Monaco. He was racing against an SLR which had an engine blow hundred kilometers before Monaco. So he arrived first :)

I am looking forward to your application. In total we have 8 former Gumballers onboard allready. :M5thumbs:

Oh, and you are scottish? gG to the UR board and contact Tango. He is a baron with a castle in scotland and will drive the UR in the new M5, with all kinds of special features. You guys should hook up.
 

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Hi Skieman, no offence intended. Just got p****d off at the kimble chat room being full of Scooby/Evo/Skyline drivers talking crap about anything other tahn the Gumball. I am sure that good old Kimble did not intend his chat room for that.

I too have done the GB and found no celebs on that were said to be on it by Max himself. Are you doing it next year ? I am hoping to but Max seems to be cherry picking his entrants.
No worries BWhiz.

As for GB next year.. doubtful ..as much as I get nostalgic for it. Particularly if its really going to be in China! Well Ol GW won't let me back in the countryouich

Cheers to the UR
 

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Ant & Pete were one of the first to sign up for the UR. They are in for sure and ofcoz UR is happening. Everything is in place and preparations are running smoothly.

Ant & Pete just confirmed to me on the phone that Alex Roy arrived first in Monaco. He was racing against an SLR which had an engine blow hundred kilometers before Monaco. So he arrived first :)

I am looking forward to your application. In total we have 8 former Gumballers onboard allready. :M5thumbs:

Oh, and you are scottish? gG to the UR board and contact Tango. He is a baron with a castle in scotland and will drive the UR in the new M5, with all kinds of special features. You guys should hook up.

Hi Kimble,

Sorry, but we arrived 2nd at the Casino Square behind the Rainbow Lambo (which was signing autographs saying "1st in Monaco") but apparently he was already in Florence whe we checked the tracking in our hotel room in Rome!!

Ask Alex Roy, he had a long night party yesterday night with some Gumballers (!!) but he should be able to answer your doubts soon.

See you and take care in the meantime

Kalbas
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Hi Kimble,

Sorry, but we arrived 2nd at the Casino Square behind the Rainbow Lambo (which was signing autographs saying "1st in Monaco") but apparently he was already in Florence whe we checked the tracking in our hotel room in Rome!!

Ask Alex Roy, he had a long night party yesterday night with some Gumballers (!!) but he should be able to answer your doubts soon.

See you and take care in the meantime

Kalbas
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Fi there was anyway at all to pick a "favorite car" from all of those on the rally, there is no question yours is it my book! (Current car, the Lola T70, the real one that was red and swoopy not the White boxy thing at the start would be tied with you, but it is a race car!)

Thank you for sharing that wonderful DTM with the world.

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Hi Kimble,

Sorry, but we arrived 2nd at the Casino Square behind the Rainbow Lambo (which was signing autographs saying "1st in Monaco") but apparently he was already in Florence whe we checked the tracking in our hotel room in Rome!!

Ask Alex Roy, he had a long night party yesterday night with some Gumballers (!!) but he should be able to answer your doubts soon.

See you and take care in the meantime

Kalbas
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Well, I hope you send your deposit this week so I can see you kick some *** in the UR. Because thats where you and me belong!

Good job at Gumball. Your car is :thumbsup:
 

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Kalbas said:
Hi Kimble,

Sorry, but we arrived 2nd at the Casino Square behind the Rainbow Lambo (which was signing autographs saying "1st in Monaco") but apparently he was already in Florence whe we checked the tracking in our hotel room in Rome!!

Ask Alex Roy, he had a long night party yesterday night with some Gumballers (!!) but he should be able to answer your doubts soon.

See you and take care in the meantime

Kalbas
:byee55amg
Greg & Kalbas arrived in Monaco first. Multiple witnesses saw the Rainbow Diablo leave the Rome checkpoint at least an hour before the route cards were handed out.

Furthermore, there are strong rumors that Oliver Morley (Black/Orange SLR) asked Max Cooper to delay/reroute the Polizei M5 through Rome traffic in order to give other cars (including Oliver in his breakdown-prone SLR) a chance to get ahead of us.

Why?

Because three cars led the field to virtually every checkpoint:

1) CLK-DTM - Greg & Kalbas
2) Polizei M5 - Alex Roy & Jon Goodrich
3) Bentley GT - Michael Ross & Emma Payne

Oliver couldn't believe that anyone, especially the "lowly" Polizei M5, could arrive so far ahead of his Maclaren SLR so frequently (including two 1st place finishes) that he spread the rumor in Rome that Team Polizei had cheated by leaving Taormina early. I volunteered to share my Garmin GPS time track file, but he was more concerned with sabotaging the efforts of Team Polizei than in fair play.

Oliver had the Mercedes/Maclaren technician box in the Polizei M5, preventing us from refueling, and guaranteeing that both our cars would remain overnight in front of the subway stop. I didn't really enjoy having dozens of people sit and stand on my car through the evening.

The departure from Rome saw Max Cooper asking Team Polizei to lead a parade past the Coliseum. We rallied several cars to depart (including the CLK-DTM and Bentley GT) and were quickly mired in rush hour traffic. Meanwhile, Oliver and others skipped the "parade" and headed straight out of town. Within minutes we realized we'd been tricked, so we broke out of traffic and headed for the Autostrada.

The roads were clear and the weather good, allowing Greg & Kalbas to push the CLK-DTM hard. Within 15 minutes of leaving Rome, they were not to be seen again until the finish line.

As for Oliver, Team Polizei made up for lost time by passing 50+ cars on the way to the Florence checkpoint and coming in 4th. We passed Oliver going the other way, and he showed his true spirit by giving us the finger.

Suffice to say, when we finally caught up with him several hours later, he with his shirt off and talking on the phone whilst the SLR sat with its bonnet open, this was the first time Team Polizei didn't stop to help a fellow Gumballer. I'd nominate Oliver for worst Gumball Spirit of 2005.

Team Polizei arrived in Monaco soon thereafter. Factoring for the Rainbow Diablo's (and others') early Rome Departure and the unsportsmanlike antics of Oliver and his co-conspirators, the CLK-DTM and Team Polizei would have arrived with an even more commanding lead over the other cars. For now we remain satisfied with an unofficial 2nd to Monaco and overall, which we can document via our Garmin GPS track, ALK Copilot logs and 45 hours of in-car video.

I would place Greg & Kalbas in the #1 position for the rally overall, although some have suggested that Team 144 Polizei was the winner.

I think Greg & Kalbas deserve it for too many reasons to list here. Other spectacular performances were seen from Michael Ross & Emma Payne (Bentley GT), Mark Muss & Seamus Conlon (Lotus Esprit), Gregoire Boitard & Alex Repyquet (996) and Spencer Bourne (Porsche 996TT).

A lot of people talk about the "winner", but the fact is that the official Gumball trophies are, for legal reasons, never given to cars based their time-based rankings. Furthermore, Gumball doesn't gather departure or arrival times, nor structure the departures in a manner condusive to a fair race.

Since there is no central repository for Gumball driver times & performance (daily and overall), nor is there a structured point system, the declaration of a daily "stage" winner and an overall "event" winner falls to the reasonable judgement of those rally entrants who depart on time and fairly and reasonably track each other, generating a daily consensus to be discussed over dinner.

It's hilarious that any driver believes he can leave early and then claim to have come in first. There are too many people watching online and in the forums to get away with a lie like that. It's especially insulting when Oliver (or anyone else) accuses Team Polizei of leaving early, since I read the Boards and know full well that any outright deception will be caught by the fans, if not by other drivers who read and post here.

Many things effect daily arrival rankings, and the most important one isn't whether one breaks down, but whether one stops to help when someone else breaks down.

Team Polizei acheived two 1st Place finishes (Rome and Vienna) and multiple Top 10 arrivals, and that included the stages where we were negatively affected by stopping to help Michael Ross and others who had mechanical difficulties. Compare this with the numerous first time Gumballers who ignored their fellow rally drivers standing on the side of the road, and who still arrived late in the day.

Luckily, there were many examples of proper Gumball spirit this year as every other, but I promise everyone - the next time a Black/Orange SLR breaks down, I won't be stopping.

We saw some old friends and made some new ones this year - excellent drivers all, so cheers to Greg, Kalbas, Gregoire, Alex, Michael, Emma, Mark and Seamus, and anyone else we've forgotten...

I hope this clarifies my view.

Best Regards,

Alex
 

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Thank you Alex for the clarification. You truely hold the "Gumball Spirit". The one question you havent answered, I don't think, is whether you will be in the Gumball next year? If not, will your last rally be the Bullrun in Cali next month?
I will be doing both the Bullrun USA in July as well as Bullrun Europe in September (details still secret).

My participation in Gumball depends on political factors.

Furthermore, I think Gumball needs to do more to engage new participants in the Spirit of the rally, especially as it pertains to helping each other out of breakdowns and other problems. Althought the route was great, many of the new drivers decided to "go it alone".

Lastly, I am not optimistic about this year's TV show. "6 Days in May" was downright awful, with the best footage being stuff that was used in the 2004 Xtreme Show. There were fewer TV crews covering the rally this year, with none in the lead cars or along the route, and very little coverage of some of the very entertaining characters I met. The fans (and that includes me!) deserve a TV and movie that really reveal what it's like to be on the rally, and to show the interesting characters and cars that participate. I didn't get the sense we're going to get that from the 2005 coverage.

I hope I'm wrong.

Best,
Alex
 

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Totally agree with you about the "Six days in may" movie, Alex
I just could not understand it, i liked the extreme series, but that movie, ... who on God's earth films a skater doing the gumball, who finds a skating spot, stops the car and starts skating underneath a bridge without some special tricks, and puts it in a GUMBALL RALLY movie, such things just belong in skate movies, not in a gumball movie. Also: Morocco has some great scenery, we've seen it a lot on pictures, the scenery was filmed but i guess the camera guy had parkinson. Any more complaints?? Yes, no good "story" or "line" in the movie, lack of racing scenes, a lot of very interesting moments were not shown in the movie,... What bothers me even more, is that i've read somewhere that this year's rally will be produced by the same producer as last year :sad1:.
Gumball can make great movies, the 2003 movie, absolutely perfect, great racing footage, great music, great scenery, no complaints at all The gumball 3000 2003 movie is one of the best "car"-movies i've ever seen
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I will be doing both the Bullrun USA in July as well as Bullrun Europe in September (details still secret).

My participation in Gumball depends on political factors.

Furthermore, I think Gumball needs to do more to engage new participants in the Spirit of the rally, especially as it pertains to helping each other out of breakdowns and other problems. Althought the route was great, many of the new drivers decided to "go it alone".

Lastly, I am not optimistic about this year's TV show. "6 Days in May" was downright awful, with the best footage being stuff that was used in the 2004 Xtreme Show. There were fewer TV crews covering the rally this year, with none in the lead cars or along the route, and very little coverage of some of the very entertaining characters I met. The fans (and that includes me!) deserve a TV and movie that really reveal what it's like to be on the rally, and to show the interesting characters and cars that participate. I didn't get the sense we're going to get that from the 2005 coverage.

I hope I'm wrong.

Best,
Alex
 

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Totally agree with you about the "Six days in may" movie, Alex
I just could not understand it, i liked the extreme series, but that movie, ... who on God's earth films a skater doing the gumball, who finds a skating spot, stops the car and starts skating underneath a bridge without some special tricks, and puts it in a GUMBALL RALLY movie, such things just belong in skate movies, not in a gumball movie. Also: Morocco has some great scenery, we've seen it a lot on pictures, the scenery was filmed but i guess the camera guy had parkinson. Any more complaints?? Yes, no good "story" or "line" in the movie, lack of racing scenes, a lot of very interesting moments were not shown in the movie,... What bothers me even more, is that i've read somewhere that this year's rally will be produced by the same producer as last year :sad1:.
Gumball can make great movies, the 2003 movie, absolutely perfect, great racing footage, great music, great scenery, no complaints at all The gumball 3000 2003 movie is one of the best "car"-movies i've ever seen
The 2003 Gumball Movie was directed by Steven Green and produced by his brother David Green, who went on to found the Bullrun (www.bullrun.com).

Steve will be directing this year's Bullrun TV show and movie.

Best,
Alex
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... who on God's earth films a skater doing the gumball, who finds a skating spot, stops the car and starts skating underneath a bridge without some special tricks, and puts it in a GUMBALL RALLY movie,
He's not a skater, he's the owner of Intersection, the car magazine, and official sponsor of the Gumball :1:

Funny, give a guy a skateboard and he's public enemy #1.
 

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Greg & Kalbas arrived in Monaco first. Multiple witnesses saw the Rainbow Diablo leave the Rome checkpoint at least an hour before the route cards were handed out.

Furthermore, there are strong rumors that Oliver Morley (Black/Orange SLR) asked Max Cooper to delay/reroute the Polizei M5 through Rome traffic in order to give other cars (including Oliver in his breakdown-prone SLR) a chance to get ahead of us.

Why?

Because three cars led the field to virtually every checkpoint:

1) CLK-DTM - Greg & Kalbas
2) Polizei M5 - Alex Roy & Jon Goodrich
3) Bentley GT - Michael Ross & Emma Payne

Oliver couldn't believe that anyone, especially the "lowly" Polizei M5, could arrive so far ahead of his Maclaren SLR so frequently (including two 1st place finishes) that he spread the rumor in Rome that Team Polizei had cheated by leaving Taormina early. I volunteered to share my Garmin GPS time track file, but he was more concerned with sabotaging the efforts of Team Polizei than in fair play.

Oliver had the Mercedes/Maclaren technician box in the Polizei M5, preventing us from refueling, and guaranteeing that both our cars would remain overnight in front of the subway stop. I didn't really enjoy having dozens of people sit and stand on my car through the evening.

The departure from Rome saw Max Cooper asking Team Polizei to lead a parade past the Coliseum. We rallied several cars to depart (including the CLK-DTM and Bentley GT) and were quickly mired in rush hour traffic. Meanwhile, Oliver and others skipped the "parade" and headed straight out of town. Within minutes we realized we'd been tricked, so we broke out of traffic and headed for the Autostrada.

The roads were clear and the weather good, allowing Greg & Kalbas to push the CLK-DTM hard. Within 15 minutes of leaving Rome, they were not to be seen again until the finish line.

As for Oliver, Team Polizei made up for lost time by passing 50+ cars on the way to the Florence checkpoint and coming in 4th. We passed Oliver going the other way, and he showed his true spirit by giving us the finger.

Suffice to say, when we finally caught up with him several hours later, he with his shirt off and talking on the phone whilst the SLR sat with its bonnet open, this was the first time Team Polizei didn't stop to help a fellow Gumballer. I'd nominate Oliver for worst Gumball Spirit of 2005.

Team Polizei arrived in Monaco soon thereafter. Factoring for the Rainbow Diablo's (and others') early Rome Departure and the unsportsmanlike antics of Oliver and his co-conspirators, the CLK-DTM and Team Polizei would have arrived with an even more commanding lead over the other cars. For now we remain satisfied with an unofficial 2nd to Monaco and overall, which we can document via our Garmin GPS track, ALK Copilot logs and 45 hours of in-car video.

I would place Greg & Kalbas in the #1 position for the rally overall, although some have suggested that Team 144 Polizei was the winner.

I think Greg & Kalbas deserve it for too many reasons to list here. Other spectacular performances were seen from Michael Ross & Emma Payne (Bentley GT), Mark Muss & Seamus Conlon (Lotus Esprit), Gregoire Boitard & Alex Repyquet (996) and Spencer Bourne (Porsche 996TT).

A lot of people talk about the "winner", but the fact is that the official Gumball trophies are, for legal reasons, never given to cars based their time-based rankings. Furthermore, Gumball doesn't gather departure or arrival times, nor structure the departures in a manner condusive to a fair race.

Since there is no central repository for Gumball driver times & performance (daily and overall), nor is there a structured point system, the declaration of a daily "stage" winner and an overall "event" winner falls to the reasonable judgement of those rally entrants who depart on time and fairly and reasonably track each other, generating a daily consensus to be discussed over dinner.

It's hilarious that any driver believes he can leave early and then claim to have come in first. There are too many people watching online and in the forums to get away with a lie like that. It's especially insulting when Oliver (or anyone else) accuses Team Polizei of leaving early, since I read the Boards and know full well that any outright deception will be caught by the fans, if not by other drivers who read and post here.

Many things effect daily arrival rankings, and the most important one isn't whether one breaks down, but whether one stops to help when someone else breaks down.

Team Polizei acheived two 1st Place finishes (Rome and Vienna) and multiple Top 10 arrivals, and that included the stages where we were negatively affected by stopping to help Michael Ross and others who had mechanical difficulties. Compare this with the numerous first time Gumballers who ignored their fellow rally drivers standing on the side of the road, and who still arrived late in the day.

Luckily, there were many examples of proper Gumball spirit this year as every other, but I promise everyone - the next time a Black/Orange SLR breaks down, I won't be stopping.

We saw some old friends and made some new ones this year - excellent drivers all, so cheers to Greg, Kalbas, Gregoire, Alex, Michael, Emma, Mark and Seamus, and anyone else we've forgotten...

I hope this clarifies my view.

Best Regards,

Alex
Very well said. Nothing to add.
BTW, I wish I could write as eloquentely as you do.
Cheers to you and John. kinggf
Very best regards
 

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He's not a skater, he's the owner of Intersection, the car magazine, and official sponsor of the Gumball :1:

Funny, give a guy a skateboard and he's public enemy #1.
No, i didn't say/mean that, i have nothing against skaters, i have respect for their hobby and culture, but i think that this doesn't belong in a gumball movie,...

Alex, thanks for giving those names, and i think i will see that bullrun movie, the gumball 3000 2003 movie was great, so the bullrun movie should be worth it!
 
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