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Hi all,

New to the board because of my recent purchase of an M5 Touring.

Mine is the 01885 (Karl, would you send me the info on this one? Was it registered before?)

I sort of collect BMW's and try to find the most special/odd examples of a series. This "collection" consists of 6 * E23 (4 * 745i, 1 * 735i and 1 * 728i), 2 * E12 M535i, 1 * E30 325i cabrio and 1 * E30 325iX touring and now this '95 M5 Touring. Only a lack of money and storage place prevent me from getting more :)

Some info about the history of this M5T (collected from the German Fahrzeugbrief);

First registration 07-07-1995 to BMW M GmhH (!). Suspended 1-10-1996. Then registered 26-08-1997 to Mr. Bernhard Boneberger (04-04-1963, relatively young owner!). So apparently it took BMW almost a year to get rid of it :). Registered again 07-10-1998 to Mrs. Doris Hess (11-02-1937, so they exist, old lady drivers!). Suspended again from 14-11-2002 until 11-12-2002, then registered to Mr. Bernd Weber (29-01-1970) who suspended the car 21-10-2003. He then sold it to Adrian Hasler from Switzerland who owned it until I bought it, 19-01-2004. He never registered the car in Switzerland, so therefore I got the german Fahrzeugbrief with it. I also still did not register it, since although originating from Holland I sort of live and work in Budapest, Bulgaria and Holland. I now insured it in Austria, where they don't ask silly questions about it being tested and where you use it, but I still don't know where I will have it licensed. Bulgaria would be EUR. 7500,-- on taxations, Hungary doesn't allow imports for cars older than 5 years and Holland will cost appr. EUR 4500,-- now, but EUR 3000,-- if I can manage to wait until july. So, how do I refrain from driving it then? Well, I don't, I use the plates of my 325iX touring (rather illegally of course) :nono:, but as long as it is insured I don't mind taking that risk so much and also, they're both BMW's, both tourings and both black , the only difference is that it's a 5 and not a 3, but what's in a name? And the speeding tickets I will get anyway :).

Of, for so far, greetings to all of you M5(T) drivers!

Jeroen
 

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Hi [email protected] and welcome to -M5touring- ownership. Interesting story, where
did you get all these details from ??? I knew the story as from -Bernd Weber-
when it was 'for sale' from him. So, yes, the car is in the registry. What do I
register for country of location ??? :confused2 :confused2
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Have fun and take care of that rare piece. Anything I can do for you ?
I guess you received a -build-sheet-copy (BTX) from -Adi- ??
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brgds
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Hi [email protected] and welcome to -M5touring- ownership. Interesting story, where
did you get all these details from ??? I knew the story as from -Bernd Weber-
when it was 'for sale' from him. So, yes, the car is in the registry. What do I
register for country of location ??? :confused2 :confused2
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Have fun and take care of that rare piece. Anything I can do for you ?
I guess you received a -build-sheet-copy (BTX) from -Adi- ??
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brgds
Karl
Hi Karl,

The details can be read from the German Fahrzeugbrief that belongs to the car, as long as there are not more than 6 owners, since then it will be renewed.

Just stick to Hungary for the time being, that's where I live.

Well, perhaps. No, as far as I recall I did not receive the BTX, what should it look like?

Do you have any specific info on this car?

Another question, will you ever make this registry available to the public? I'm really interested in it!

BTW, some more info you can find on my website www.bmw745i.com I did not update it since more than two years, but I now started again and I already put on it some info on the M5T.

Regards,

Jeroen
 

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Hi Jeroen,
a BTX is a copy of the build-sheet for your car, I need an e-mail-address
or a fax-number to sent it to you (sent me a private msg, off-line) -
yes, the registry-dates (it is a CAR-registry, NOT an owner listing) will be
made available to a larger public once it has reached the standards I am aiming for, this is an on-going process with almost daily updates and changes, I wud also need help with the web-design etc.,if there is anything you wish to know, facts or details, pls feel free to ask, off or on-line -
brgds
Karl :typing: :M5thumbs:
 

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BL01725

1/15/94 production, Avus Blau.


Details and pics:
http://www.robertlevinson.com/M5_Touring/

Build sheet (thanks Karl!):
http://www.robertlevinson.com/M5_Touring/images/BTX_BL01725.gif

Special OE features:
No sunroofs
Buffalo leather

Enhancements made so far:
Schrick cams
JimC software
(dynoed at 318rwhp before exhaust)
6-speed
3.64 with Quaife
lightweight flywheel/clutch from 3.6l M5
UUC EVO3 Ultimate Short Shifter
UUC Tuned Spring Set
UUC prototype free-flow cats and exhaust
UUC brakes (355mm front, 328mm rear, 4-piston calipers)
UUC Transmission Mount Enforcer setup
E39 M5 wheels refinished in anthracite
US ellipsoids fitted with HID
various minor interior cosmetics

Coming soon: interesting stuff!
 

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Re: NO LIMITED EDITION M5tourings

I have 1931. It is Orinoco Metallic with bi-color leather interior. First registration wasn't until 4/96 on it. What more can you tell me about it? Original price? What number was it of 891?

Thanks

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there are NO official limited editions made inside the M5touring
model run as per M-GmbH, there are however a number of cars made to identical specifications - there is NO 96-production - the very last M5touring was made in July 1995 ! -
the car in the French add is an Italien version M5touring -
VIN -BL01917- special-colour: british-racing-green
prod.date: 28.06.1995 (EZ 5/96 = is the date of first registration)
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thks for the lead !! pls sent MORE !
235 out of 891 are now identified, some already wrecked:crying: :crying: :grrrrr:
where are the others ?? PLEASE TELL ME !
 

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[email protected] ***931 is very late production car, build date 14.07.1995, first
registration 25.04.1996 (!), Orinoco-met. is a special order paint, only 4 (four)
were made in this colour, 931 might be the only one left in Germany, one is in
Sweden and one is in the US, no trace yet on the forth -
I do not know how you wish to count the number out of 891 made, these cars
are hand-built and were not assembled in exact chronological order, there are
only 12 cars with a higher VIN than 931 - i.e. it is no 879 if u wish :)
931 is an 'indivual' car with loads of extras and an exterior/interior identical
with the UK-run out limited edition cars (50 whereof 35 are in -orinoco-met.)
to re-calculate the original price u wud have to take the basic list price and
add all the options, although I believe that late production cars were sold
with a considerable rebate, still - this car was EXPENSIVE !
tell me more !! like mileage etc. if u wish a copy of the build-sheet for this car
I wud need an e-mail-address, send me a private message -
thanks for telling me/us that this car is still alive (meanwhile the number of
cars in the register has increased to 300+ :) BUT also the number of cars stolen,wrecked etc. increasing :crying2: -- keep in touch :byebye:
 

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M5 Touring reg- Thanks so much for the info. The mileage is currently 97tkm. The interior is in very good condition; there is a slight dent right behind the right-rear wheel-well and the paint has some scratches and nicks. It feels very tight and solid, a big difference from my M5 3.8 non-Touring with 178tkm. I sent you a private message with my email and would love to see the build sheet!

Thanks

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[email protected] ***931 is very late production car, build date 14.07.1995, first
registration 25.04.1996 (!), Orinoco-met. is a special order paint, only 4 (four)
were made in this colour, 931 might be the only one left in Germany, one is in
Sweden and one is in the US, no trace yet on the forth -
I do not know how you wish to count the number out of 891 made, these cars
are hand-built and were not assembled in exact chronological order, there are
only 12 cars with a higher VIN than 931 - i.e. it is no 879 if u wish :)
931 is an 'indivual' car with loads of extras and an exterior/interior identical
with the UK-run out limited edition cars (50 whereof 35 are in -orinoco-met.)
to re-calculate the original price u wud have to take the basic list price and
add all the options, although I believe that late production cars were sold
with a considerable rebate, still - this car was EXPENSIVE !
tell me more !! like mileage etc. if u wish a copy of the build-sheet for this car
I wud need an e-mail-address, send me a private message -
thanks for telling me/us that this car is still alive (meanwhile the number of
cars in the register has increased to 300+ :) BUT also the number of cars stolen,wrecked etc. increasing :crying2: -- keep in touch :byebye:
 

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:wroom: Here's my 1992 Avousblau M5 Touring :) BL01038

100% original except the white/clear signallights, I have the originals stored...

KARL : I sendt you an e-mail, would be nice to get the productionpapers :)



 

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1932 has a new home!

This car is accounted for I am sure. It is one of the Orinoco Metallic cars that were produced towards the end of the run. This car was imported by Ron Wallace in '01 and sold in Nov. '03 to Barnabas Brown with about 69k miles on it. At that point the car needed new struts up front and tires, and there was talk about a coil over kit or some after market stuff being fitted onto this vehicle. Luckily Barnabas never pulled the trigger on that kit. In fact he just drove it, bouncing around like a hoopty and thats about it. Pretty scary to drive like this I should add. The car will now begin receiving some new factory replacement parts, as it has been treated somewhat like a stepchild for the past year.

Good news is the compression test was good, 140X4 & 138X2. I know these sound low, but this test was performed at an elevation of 7500 ft. above sea level. Leak down was good to with 4%, 4%, 5%, 4%, 6%, 7%. Interior was in great shape, just a touch dry. Paint is OK, as it has spent 2 or 3 winters in Colorado. Other than those initial observations, needs a new guibo and some time in the garage out of the elements.

Is it possible for you to email me with information that you have on this car. Original service stuff from Germany made it with the car, but the build sheet and other docs. Ron received from you has been lost. This would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Greg
 

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Re: 1932 has a new home!

Hi Greg !
Yes, the ex-Ron Wallace-car is in the register. Good to learn that it got
a new home and a well caring owner. Yes, I cud sent you an e-mail with the
build-sheet but wud need your e-mail-number as I can not sent attachments
thru this forum -

brgds :byebye:
Karl
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This car is accounted for I am sure. It is one of the Orinoco Metallic cars that were produced towards the end of the run. This car was imported by Ron Wallace in '01 and sold in Nov. '03 to Barnabas Brown with about 69k miles on it. At that point the car needed new struts up front and tires, and there was talk about a coil over kit or some after market stuff being fitted onto this vehicle. Luckily Barnabas never pulled the trigger on that kit. In fact he just drove it, bouncing around like a hoopty and thats about it. Pretty scary to drive like this I should add. The car will now begin receiving some new factory replacement parts, as it has been treated somewhat like a stepchild for the past year.

Good news is the compression test was good, 140X4 & 138X2. I know these sound low, but this test was performed at an elevation of 7500 ft. above sea level. Leak down was good to with 4%, 4%, 5%, 4%, 6%, 7%. Interior was in great shape, just a touch dry. Paint is OK, as it has spent 2 or 3 winters in Colorado. Other than those initial observations, needs a new guibo and some time in the garage out of the elements.

Is it possible for you to email me with information that you have on this car. Original service stuff from Germany made it with the car, but the build sheet and other docs. Ron received from you has been lost. This would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Greg
 

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Hi although I have often read the postings on this site I have not yet contributed, but I hope to remedy this now.

This weekend I going to look at three Touring's - 2 in the UK and one abroad. Hoping by next week to proudly announce that I have a car and to get a chassis number build sheet from Karl.

I do however have a couple of questions are there any addtional problems that I should be looking out for when buying a Touring, two of the ones I am looking at are 95 6 speed models, one in this British Racing Green with Tobacco hide (Called an Electra model from Italy by the dealer). The other one is an Avus Blue model with by all accounts a very full spec for which I have the chassis number.

Any help would be welcome as I would like to make an informed choice, BTW I have read all the articles and books regarding the normal things to look out for so am looking for Touring specific infomation.

Thanks

Simon
 

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...BTW I have read all the articles and books regarding the normal things to look out for so am looking for Touring specific infomation.

Simon
Make sure the car has two more pieces of glass than the standard sedan. :D

Aside from that, the only maintenance/reliability difference is the dual sunroofs (if equipped). These can be problematical. Make sure they work and go through all the position combinations and permutations.

To get an idea of how complicated the sunroofs are, they have their own repair manual that is the size of a medium-volume phone book.

M5 Tourings without sunroofs have about 2" more headroom and less weight up top.

- Rob
 

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sometimes there is an issue with the wiring loom for the back-door resulting
in false error-msgs, roof rails can have bubbles which is common -
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the 'so called' Elekta-cars are NOT a special car except for the colour and interior, there is nothing special with it other than that they are all 'Italy-version-cars' and there4 possibly have all dash-wordings in Italian -
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for the pre-history of a car (provided it is in the registry which presently holds
facts for abt 320 cars out of the 891 built) I wud need the resp. VIN -
'good hunting' and tell us the news :wroom: :byebye:
 

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sometimes there is an issue with the wiring loom for the back-door resulting
in false error-msgs, roof rails can have bubbles which is common -
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the 'so called' Elekta-cars are NOT a special car except for the colour and interior, there is nothing special with it other than that they are all 'Italy-version-cars' and there4 possibly have all dash-wordings in Italian -
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for the pre-history of a car (provided it is in the registry which presently holds
facts for abt 320 cars out of the 891 built) I wud need the resp. VIN -
'good hunting' and tell us the news :wroom: :byebye:
Thanks for the information from both of you it will be very useful...I liked the bit about the extra glass I am not sure I would have caught that....:7:

I have one vin plate which ends 01824.

If you have time I would appreciate a build sheet and details if you have any.

Thanks again

Simon
 

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Thanks for the information from both of you it will be very useful...I liked the bit about the extra glass I am not sure I would have caught that....:7:
I have one vin plate which ends 01824.
If you have time I would appreciate a build sheet and details if you have any.
Thanks again
Simon
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BL01824 -avusblau-met. - prod.date 21.12.1994 - EZ 20.02.1995 - last
location on record = germany - for more details I wud hv to check the
vehicle-file at home, to send you a build-sheet I wud need a valid e-mail-
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BL01824 -avusblau-met. - prod.date 21.12.1994 - EZ 20.02.1995 - last
location on record = germany - for more details I wud hv to check the
vehicle-file at home, to send you a build-sheet I wud need a valid e-mail-
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good luck ! :byebye:
Thanks I will send you my email address and I shall keep you all informed of search and progress
 

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Thanks I will send you my email address and I shall keep you all informed of search and progress
Well I got one an Avus Blue 95 3.8 6 speed and I love it:1: .

I will post some pictures when I get a chance.

Thanks for all the information.

Simon

PS Karl any luck with the build sheet??:byebye:
 

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Well I got one an Avus Blue 95 3.8 6 speed and I love it:1: .
I will post some pictures when I get a chance.
Thanks for all the information.
Simon
PS Karl any luck with the build sheet??:byebye:
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is that the -avusblau- ex TRADECAR ??
did you send your e-mail-address ??
(I hv presently an even larger back-log of e-mails etc., I participated in the 'M5-tour de Alpes 2004' and hv there4 been away for a week, also yesterday my -internet- did not work at home)
brgds
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is that the -avusblau- ex TRADECAR ??
did you send your e-mail-address ??
(I hv presently an even larger back-log of e-mails etc., I participated in the 'M5-tour de Alpes 2004' and hv there4 been away for a week, also yesterday my -internet- did not work at home)
brgds
Karl
Hi Karl

Thanks for the reply yes it was the one from TRADECAR will be having it looked at by my engineer. So far the car seems in good condition. I will send you another private message through the site.

Thanks Simon
 
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