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Has anyone here replaced their starter on their M5 or M6?

I posted a thread here as my beast all of a sudden will not start.

Since I am under warranty - I called BMW Roadside assistance and had my beast flatbed to the dealership.
My SA calls me 2 hours later and informed me that my starter has quit working and needs replacement.

He said standard BMW labor quote for starter removal and replacement is 12 hours. Yes 12 hours.

So today I got a call from my SA giving me an update. My car is almost done.

Get this, he said starter replacement is definitely something you dont want to experience once you are out of warranty as its not an easy replacement.
They've been at it for 8 hours now and they are still not done......

He said the location of the M6 starter is at an odd location, under the engine on a hard to reach area.
He said they had to unbolt and move the transmission, then they have to unbolt and lift up the ENGINE to finally gain access to the bolts that holds the starter. Yikes!

He said once starter replacement is done then of course they have to put everything back but they also need to do a thorough test drive to ensure everything is put back together right, hence the 12 hour complete removal and replacement quote. Dang!

So I am asking if anyone here has any experience on starter removal and replacement and share with us your experience.
 

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Dan,

I'm glad this ordeal is finally over and definitely an object lesson about keeping the beasts under warranty. Please keep us posted on the progress!!

Best to you and the family!!
Milton
 

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Dan you ask a pertinent question..though I have an aftermarket warranty Im very curious to see what the average out of pocket expense. Should this be something we do if we ever have to do a clutch job?
 

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I'm still scratching my head with this, I'm a mechanical engineer and design aircraft engines and units like a starter are classed as LRU's (line replaceable units) and have to be designed to be removed in a set time (15 mins, 45 mins etc..)

I'm not disputing the design but the 12hrs just sound like overkill as an engineer i just can't comprehand that amount of time for removal.......even Porsche aren't that daft.

I feel sorry for the apprentice who was told, Juergen you see that starter tooked right up in there.....well here's your adjustable, see you in a day and a half.....

But happy for you it's sorted....
 

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Thanks for your posts folks.

So far no one has chimed in and said they replaced the starter themselves.

Hi Milton, I too am glad this ordeal is over. Cant wait to pick up my car today. My SA told me he will show me where the starter is located when I pick up my beast.

Bill and Jim and everyone, starter replacement is siupposed to be an easy fix.
I replaced starter in my Honda Accord many years ago and took me an hour.

Muscles, I am an engineer for Boeing and yes, LRU's / Line Replaceable Units are supposed to be easy access and removal and BMW should know better but I guess not in this case.

MrV10, I will ask my SA how much this job would be if I was out of warranty.

I will post tonight again once I picked up my beast.

Dan
 

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Dan,

I'll look in ISTA at the replacement procedure in a few. I'm also finding that hard to believe. It is inconceivable (I keep saying that word) to me that German engineers are worse than the ones who designed the engine room on some of our older subs. (A valve operated daily is placed in a position that only the smallest 1% of the crew can get to.)

It almost makes you wonder if the started was an afterthought when the layout was being finalized. Perhaps they assumed it would sound so phenomenal, you would never turn it off. If so, then they should have talked the guys who designed the fuel tank.
 

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Glad you are getting the car back soon Dan. Sorry I was not able to chime in on your other post. It was just to sad seeing your beast on the flatbed.

Work has been crazy and my workload keeps increasing. I am finding it harder to jump on the forum in the middle of the work day. WORK OVERLOAD! I Probably wont be posting as much as I have been in the last couple of months but I will still be checking in as often as I can. I am already experiencing withdrawals from lack of M5board grrrrrrr :1zhelp:

I love you guys lovelove :hihi:
 
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Thanks Anthony!

I know what you mean.... Here at Boeing I work 12 - 14 hours a day, 5 days a week.
I dont do weekends anymore not unless its an airplane delivery issue.

Weekends I spend modifying my beast or taking it out for a long drive.
And spend time with the wife : ) (Sometimes she reads this board : )

I chime in here a few times a day though when I can just to see if I can be of help to anyone.
Similar to you, I love this board and I love all of you guys too. I met and became friends with a lot of people on this board.

I miss my beast big time, similar to all of you I get withdrawals when I dont drive it.

Will keep you folks posted.

Glad you are getting the car back soon Dan. Sorry I was not able to chime in on your other post. It was just to sad seeing your beast on the flatbed.

Work has been crazy and my workload keeps increasing. I am finding it harder to jump on the forum in the middle of the work day. WORK OVERLOAD! I Probably wont be posting as much as I have been in the last couple of months but I will still be checking in as often as I can. I am already experiencing withdrawals from lack of M5board grrrrrrr :1zhelp:

I love you guys lovelove :hihi:
 

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If I was doing this myself out of warranty, I would try replacing that solenoid on top of the starter first. That shows a separate part and can probably be done from the top. I can't believe how they stuck that in there. That's way worse than the vanos solenoids.
 

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Crazy that what they are telling you is TOTALLY diff from the procedure shown.....i wonder why? and i find it annoying because you can NEVER trust what they tell you......
 

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I suspect if the bill was on the customer and they would like to retain said customer, they might choose the lower labor route. However, at dealer labor rates when the BMWNA is footing the bill...
 

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I can't speak from experience at removing it while the motor was inside my car, but I did remove it from my old motor sitting on my garage floor. From Jcolleys instructions it looks like you remove the Intake Plenums and idle actuators to access the starter as it sits in the valley and mounts to the back of the engine.

Only 3 bolts secure the starter in place. I'm not certain how accessible they are while the motor is still in the car?

Hopefully these pics give you a good reference of what was required..

I remember when my dad saw the location of the starter he said "what the h*ll were these guys thinking?" "Hopefully you never have to replace that thing" Lol

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Wow-that's great information-I just swagged (silly wild-*** guess) about it being in the block but wasn't too far off!
What a freakin' crazy design.

Dan if you are working 14 hour days-you deserve better than this stuff!
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TZ,

Good grief man...keep posting S85 porn like that and I'm getting no work done today at all. I need to buy an extra engine just to take apart and play with. I know I'm cursing myself saying it, but I'm almost looking forward to a failure which forces me take something apart. Yes, I know I'm sick and yes, I know I bought the right car! ouich
 

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TZ,

Good grief man...keep posting S85 porn like that and I'm getting no work done today at all. I need to buy an extra engine just to take apart and play with. I know I'm cursing myself saying it, but I'm almost looking forward to a failure which forces me take something apart. Yes, I know I'm sick and yes, I know I bought the right car! ouich
LMAO! The naked S85 is just a natural beauty :biggrin:

Yea you don't want an extra one laying around for the reasons I have mine.. Honestly after disassembling my old motor and replacing the Vanos adjustment unit & solenoids, I'm convinced the M5 is just another car. The "racket" BMW dealers have with owners unwilling to educate themselves on what exactly a repair entails is just sickening. Heck I recall my SA quoting me $780 for a valve cover gasket. My reply should have been the back of my hand! Lol

-TZ
 
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