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My preference is to get a good remote install of the V1 along with the Laser Interceptor or Blinder M45, but I am finding a V1 install that withstands the rigors of topless parking (withhold your lewd remarks), and I also can't find an installer in Austin that does anything but K40 (****e) or Escort.

So, I'm considering getting the brand-new Escort 9500ci that has integrated radar detection and radar jamming along with GPS-based location memory. It's pricey ($2000 MSRP sans installation charge), but seems to be pretty good with a triple-head (2-front 1-rear) LED-based ZR4 laser jammer that performs near to the best available, and the radar detections is, well, Escort - which means good sensitivity but missing the important V1 arrow and bogey counting features.

So what are my other top-down brethren doing to stay out of jail hassle-free (driving slowly does not count)? Comments and recommendations?
 

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I am in a similar bind, although in Nevada they do not use laser (yet). My V1 is hardwired and its easy enough to remove but a more stealth install in general would be good and the 9500ci looks very good. Anyone have one installed yet?
 

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My preference is to get a good remote install of the V1 along with the Laser Interceptor or Blinder M45, but I am finding a V1 install that withstands the rigors of topless parking (withhold your lewd remarks), and I also can't find an installer in Austin that does anything but K40 (****e) or Escort.

So, I'm considering getting the brand-new Escort 9500ci that has integrated radar detection and radar jamming along with GPS-based location memory. It's pricey ($2000 MSRP sans installation charge), but seems to be pretty good with a triple-head (2-front 1-rear) LED-based ZR4 laser jammer that performs near to the best available, and the radar detections is, well, Escort - which means good sensitivity but missing the important V1 arrow and bogey counting features.

So what are my other top-down brethren doing to stay out of jail hassle-free (driving slowly does not count)? Comments and recommendations?
The Escort is nice. I have the older SRX and it hasn't failed me yet.
 

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Laser recommendations

Been off this board for awhile and trying to catch up on a few things. I recall you installed the Blinder on your previous M5 (E60) here in Houston. It is (past) time for me to add laser protection to my M5 and so have been looking for the 'lastest' recomendations. All the published stuff seems at least 1 year old. Momentum loves K40 but has installed the Escort 9500 ci for $2495 plus tax. Any reason you are leaning towards the Escort over Blinder or others? Would like to get it right the first time! I am due for service in about 3 weeks and wanted to do it then..

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Momentum loves K40 but has installed the Escort 9500 ci for $2495 plus tax. Any reason you are leaning towards the Escort over Blinder or others?
The problem is less with the Blinder M45 (or Laser Interceptor) than it is with a really good remote/secure installation of the V1 in a convertible. As I said, I frequently don't bother to put the top up when I park it, so the installation needs to be very "pick off" proof.

However, I also have a problem finding an installer in Austin. BMW Austin wants $750 to install a Blinder (parts not included) and they do nothing for the more problematic V1 remote install. I can't find anyone else that does pro-level installations for equipment they don't sell, and no one sells the V1.

The Escort 9500ci looks pretty good, especially in a good stealth/secure/remote install. However, I must reconcile myself to losing the V1's wonderful directional arrows and bogey counter, and then shelling out $2500+tax as the installed price.

I must soon do something (now out of break-in period) and might have to get the 9500ci unless a figure out something better.
 

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The 9500ci seems roughly the same size, though the control and display components are separated. One strange aspect is that the on/off switch is on the top of the control console instead of in front; thus, it becomes inaccessible if you (properly) flush mount the control in a surface of the car. I would have an additional on/off switch mounted under the steering wheel so I could kill the anti-laser when I am prepared to have my speed read.

Your ashtray install is very stealthy, but I would prefer the display to be higher and closer to my line of sight. I don't need it to be completely hidden, just secure.
 

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Your ashtray install is very stealthy, but I would prefer the display to be higher and closer to my line of sight. I don't need it to be completely hidden, just secure.

This is the same problem I face as I decide on what radar system I choose and where I install it. I've had windows smashed out to have radars stolen from my car in the middle of the day. I want to hardwire a V1 in my car but I would be so heated if someone smashed my window, scratched my interior and exterior with broken glass, and jacked my radar again - especially in my M. I currently used an Escort with suction cup mounting and remove it as soon as I'm off the highway because I am so paranoid of someone trying to break a window to steal it, if they see it. Its kind of sad this happens but my dad has had his truck broken into twice to get radars stolen and even though my parents have camera surveillance that have captured the criminals' vehicles the police have never made any progress on catching anyone.
 

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It's too bad Valentine1 doesn't take the stealth market more seriously. They could easily create a model that separates their components - the two antennae, the processor, and console - for a really good remote install. They can eliminate the laser detection (useless anyway) and partner with (or acquire) one of the top anti-lidar brands like Blinder or Laser Interceptor to integrate with their control/display console. There's obviously a lot of money in this approach given the huge prices integrated solutions are getting such as the Escort 9500ci ($2000 MSRP) and even the pure-crap K40 Calibre.
 

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There's more complexity than meets the eye in running companies that produce such products, especially given the patchwork of state and national laws and product liability issues. Considering the relatively high proportion of useless devices being peddled, the technological challenges might not be so simple either.

The Laser Interceptor guys in Croatia told me that they were/are speaking with Valentine about an integrated product, but anyone looking at their customer service reputation (e.g. on radardetector.net) can see that they are absolutely hapless businessmen. Just installed their product on my CL and it seems effective but rather crude (serial port interface in 2008 ??). But given the insuperable advantages of laser diode jamming vs. LEDs, the only thing keeping Blinder afloat is good customer service.

With a convertible you have three problems: i) radar antennas must be mounted as high as possible; ii) to retain the V1 arrows you need clear lines of transmission both front and back; and iii) there are few good options for separating the antennas from the circuitry (in a V1 they're on the same board). You could have someone like aidesign.com etch the V1 display into your mirror, but then where do you put the unit ? Behind the grill is too low, loses the view rearward and requires weatherproofing. Better protection seems worth the hassle of suction cups and unplugging when you park.
 

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I agree. The biggest issue for Valentine to get into this market is its channel. Remote installs obviously rely heavily on pro-installers/dealers. This is why the K40 is so successful despite being crap.

From a technical viewpoint, the ideal (to me) for radar component would be to have a dual-facing antennae module semi-permanently mounted in/on/above the rearview mirror. It's unclear to me whether the processor needs to be integrated with them or can be separated. Of course, the control and display module(s) need to be integrated with the anti-lidar component. This requires some serious development work unlike the existing V1 remote module. However, there is a big payoff since there is a lucrative market for an pro-installed anti-cop solution that is effective.
 

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You guys should seriously do your homework. V1 is a well-advertised overrated device. If you've already spent your $$$ then that's fine but seriously consider the alternatives. Be very weary of radar "reviews" as many of them are sponsered by manufacturers. Consider indepedent reviews that don't accept sponsor $$$. Start with www.radartest.com
 

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You guys should seriously do your homework. V1 is a well-advertised overrated device. If you've already spent your $$$ then that's fine but seriously consider the alternatives. Be very weary of radar "reviews" as many of them are sponsered by manufacturers. Consider indepedent reviews that don't accept sponsor $$$. Start with www.radartest.com
OK, what specifically do you recommend ?

I have a Bel Pro RX65 as well as several V1s, and the V1 provides a well-integrated package that works perfectly for my needs, no further homework necessary it would seem (I am indeed 'weary' of radar reviews LOL). LIDAR is the more serious threat on the roads I drive, and the state of countermeasures for that is so chaotic that this is where I spend my homework time.

I'm really just waiting for some entrepreneurial wizard to fulfill Bernhtp's dream and mine, but I don't think this person will come from either Cincinnati or Zagreb.
 

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You guys should seriously do your homework.
I guess you think that the reason many of us like the V1 is because we're just of bunch of ignorant yokels?

V1 is a well-advertised overrated device. If you've already spent your $$$ then that's fine but seriously consider the alternatives. Be very weary of radar "reviews" as many of them are sponsered by manufacturers. Consider indepedent reviews that don't accept sponsor $$$. Start with www.radartest.com
Please don't represent radartest as the benchmark independent review, especially for the V1, given the long term pissing match that Craig Peterson and Mike Valentine have had. This is more about emotion and ego than product analysis. It gets even stranger here where Peterson's bad relationships are clearly not limited to Valentine.

I find the GOL test to give a pretty good indication of detector performance. The V1 does pretty well here, but it's really the V1's directional arrows (and counter) that set it apart. The unique arrows not only tell you when to slow down, but tell you when you can safely speed up again. This is very important to me and something I would rather not live without, though am seriously considering the Escort 9500ci because of other considerations.

So, in helping me with my "homework," what recommendations to my original post can you offer?
 

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I guess you think that the reason many of us like the V1 is because we're just of bunch of ignorant yokels?


Please don't represent radartest as the benchmark independent review, especially for the V1, given the long term pissing match that Craig Peterson and Mike Valentine have had. This is more about emotion and ego than product analysis. It gets even stranger here where Peterson's bad relationships are clearly not limited to Valentine.

I find the GOL test to give a pretty good indication of detector performance. The V1 does pretty well here, but it's really the V1's directional arrows (and counter) that set it apart. The unique arrows not only tell you when to slow down, but tell you when you can safely speed up again. This is very important to me and something I would rather not live without, though am seriously considering the Escort 9500ci because of other considerations.

So, in helping me with my "homework," what recommendations to my original post can you offer?
Yeah, I'm aware of the my-cojones-are-bigger-than-yours match you're refering to from the columnist from radartest.com. :haha: Regardless, I actually like their website and still trust Craig with his reviews. He not only writes for radartest but also most major car publications. He's been an advisor for SEVERAL manufacturers and has also written in favor of V1 in the past.

My personal suggestiion is to go with the Escort 9500ci for your purposes. I've actually considered it for myself but I'm currently a big fan of Bel (not for its stealth though). I've had a V1 and sold it on Ebay after my first ticket. I've NEVER had a ticket since I've owned my Bel and I think it does a good job with false alarms. My brother-in-law also has a Bel and has also been without any speeding tickets since. I honestly think the V1 is a bit gimmicky. I'm impressed that you trust it that much to speed up after passing a cop because it tells you "your safe" LOL. You truly have bigger balls than I :hihi:. I think the arrows are 'cool' but I personally don't see the big point of it all except to brag to your passengers on predicting which direction the cops coming from. Personally, if my radar is going off... I'm slowing down.

If $$$ is not an issue, go for the Escort... I'll probably shell out for that package soon.
 

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I've had a V1 and sold it on Ebay after my first ticket. I've NEVER had a ticket since I've owned my Bel and I think it does a good job with false alarms.
Hmm, I did the exact opposite several years ago sold my Bel, due to it failing to catch the man (cop even looked at my detector and said seems your radar detector doesn't work, you should get it fixed), and so I got the V1. Never had a ticket since having the V1. I don't know what you mean about gimmicky, the arrows work. They are very consistent and you always know where to look for the radar man.

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Hmm, I did the exact opposite several years ago sold my Bel, due to it failing to catch the man (cop even looked at my detector and said seems your radar detector doesn't work, you should get it fixed), and so I got the V1. Never had a ticket since having the V1. I don't know what you mean about gimmicky, the arrows work. They are very consistent and you always know where to look for the radar man.

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To each his own. Considering you've already hardwired your V1, it's a mute point to discuss don't you think. :)
 

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Love the arrows, hate the suction cups :)

Love my V1, but I also have a 9500i I picked up for a trip across country last year and my V1 was at my destination already. The 9500i worked quite well and easily paid for itself 3 times on that trip, especially in Iowa and Nebraska. I like the auto-learn mode too. Personally I feel the Ka band detection in the V1 and 9500i are about the same, with maybe a slight edge to the 9500i in range. K band the V1 ihas much better range. Again, just my opinion owning both and using both quite a bit with the V1 in the M6, 9500i in my truck. Of course the truck is about 3x higher off the ground than the M6, hence the "maybe" up above. But on flat desert roads generally height is not as big an issue.

I am seriously considering the 9500ci. But the only "authorized" resellers/installers per the Escort web site here in Las Vegas are places I would never send my car to (or my damn Ford pickup truck, for that matter): Ultimate Electronics and Audio Express (oh, and the Land Rover dealer!). So looking now for a competent shop to talk to about installing it and where to put the displays/controls.

The ashtray mount looked great, but agree with bernhtp the power button would be an issue. But I am sure a good fabricator could figure something out. Now finding one, thats another story...
 

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Love the arrows, hate the suction cups
I've never ever used the suction cups.

The ashtray is fine for the controls, but not the display module. I want to see the alerts closer to my normal field of view. In fact, I will investigate having the display mounted adjacent to the HUD (right below in my field of view). I'm not sure how difficult it will be to connect it up there without taking too much stuff apart.
 

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You guys should seriously do your homework. V1 is a well-advertised overrated device. If you've already spent your $$$ then that's fine but seriously consider the alternatives. Be very weary of radar "reviews" as many of them are sponsered by manufacturers. Consider indepedent reviews that don't accept sponsor $$$. Start with www.radartest.com
Radartest.com is run by a guy named Craig Peterson who works for Bel and Escort so he bashes the V1 every chance he gets. He got busted trying to sabotage the Guysoflidar.com 2007 radar detector test and he will probably have to part with a couple thousand dollars on top of the $1000 radar gun that he hid under camoflauge on top of a mountain to throw off the testing.

http://guysoflidar.com/march-2007/sabotage.html


Nothing beats a Valentine One.

http://guysoflidar.com/august-2007/radar-detector-test.html
 
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