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wow i just read all these and i just cant believe that this is going on!!! What is beyond sad about all this is that one side is telling the truth and one side isnt, so that means that someone sat down and completely fabricated a story to hurt someone or hurt one company!! Isnt that dishonest person embarrassed?? dont they feel like a little kid?? someone here is a liar!!! shame on you!!! hope you dont have kids
 

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Sometimes the truth should stay hidden and this time is one of those times my friend . Don't get me wrong i don't confirm these kinds of things but , for keeping M5Board in one piece i think it should be over now.
 

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Sometimes the truth should stay hidden and this time is one of those times my friend . Don't get me wrong i don't confirm these kinds of things but , for keeping M5Board in one piece i think it should be over now.
I disagree. These kind of things need to happen so that the truth can be told to help unsuspecting consumers/members like us. Of course, the tiny little hard part is finding that damn truth. :confused3
 

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I honestly find these threads the funniest.. Every time Gintani raises the bar and does something else another dumb thread like this comes up..

I guess Gintani must be a threat to the other major companies since their products are actually proving something..

You guys can keep trying to make Gintani look bad when they didn't do anything wrong. Envy? kinggf

Wayne get over that case, it was well over two years ago, it has NOTHING to do with any of this.. and it was settled outside of court. I personally know that Alex and Corey still talk. (Has anyone noticed that this dude keeps blasting the same post on every single board and it means NOTHING.)

I personally know Alex, Arno, their whole family. They come from a great family, they aren't crooks, they aren't shady, they don't rip customers off. They are there to make friendships and will do anything to make sure their customers are happy. Have you guys not noticed every single customer jumps on these threads because they actually are happy customers, not ONE of you have ever dealt with Gintani. (You know who this is directed to :confused3)

Also - This b/s about stealing Gpower's file.. You guys really have some time on your hands. I was the FIRST Gpower M3 in the US.. Alex's car was running before I even ordered my Gpower kit from AutoTalent... I went on RIDES in his car, that thing was a MONSTER. Why the hell would anyone want to copy a file that blew multiple S65 motors over the world? (No disrespect to G-power, I'm sure they have fixed it by now)

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I received this info from several indepent from each other sources:

"The tuner Gintani uses "XX" tuning AKA "XXXXX" stole the G power M3 software from a local M3 and sold it to Gintani, thats what they use to run their supercharged E9X M3's. They tried to use the G Power M5 software in their project supercharged M5 but the design was too far off so it never worked right and im told the customer who's car they were using demanded it be put back to stock."

Anyone care to weigh in? :dunno:
DUDE, I don't know where you got type of wack information. But I have a GPower kit on my car and I can tell you now its drives totally different from Gintani's tune. There are lots of differences between the 2 software.

But all I know if you if don't have solid facts don't say anything at all. This will just ruin GPower's rep. Because all you can see if Gpower vids. of what you made.

I have lots of story's to tell too but Gpower has been very nice to me and I don't want to get started.

so if its not hard facts just don't say things like that.
 

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I disagree. These kind of things need to happen so that the truth can be told to help unsuspecting consumers/members like us. Of course, the tiny little hard part is finding that damn truth. :confused3
I agree it can help us but these kinds of rumors kill the truth.for example let's say you stole something from me , what would you do if someone came out and said `i saw you stole it`? would you say `yes i did it` ? or just try to call that guy a liyar and showing yourself an innocent person?
or this one : you have something that i want so i made someone to say `I saw you stole it`, what would you do?just showing you are an innocent person because actually you are!
both you and i know what is the truth in these two stories but what about others?and this person in future will face another case like these two like many many others , so what will he think?if i'm that person i will think there is no such a thing as truth.
 

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This is friggin hilarious. This happens all the time with different markets/industries. I keep a lot of my blueprints, templates and files on lockdown because there is always people out there trying to get info on your product. This goes with manufacturing, technology, food industry, entertainment, etc......everything. Its not uncommon for a company to see what another is doing and then come up with their own version. Hell, there are atleast 5 different companies who are making ram air scoops after laughing at us for coming up with such an idea. For some of them, hey, its business. For others, they are pure scumbags. Either way, it happens and you just gotta move on. The truth coming out is not bad as it does save the comsumer a lot of money. Its when the arguing gets out of hand and the threads turn out to be more harmful to the community of enthusiasts where we kinda have to all step back and take a deep breath. WOOOOSAHH.
 

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Gintani, Alex and Arno are great people and I look forward to getting their FI kit once i have decided if i want the M3 or M5.
 

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Aside from this the tuning thing, I hope what you said is not true. As a firearms instructor, we ALWAYS let the students know that they should never make it be known that they "carry a gun."
So, why are you telling everyone on a public forum? Or, are instructors not "allowed" to "be strapped". :haha:
 

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SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
LOS ANGELES COUNTY – STANLEY MOSK COURTHOUSE
Case No.: BC403424
COREY J. DILLON,
Plaintif
Vs
GINTANI MINI WORKS, INC., a California corporation; SARO MARUKOGLU, a/k/a SARO MARUKIAN, an individual; ALEX MARUKIAN, a/k/a ALEX MARUKOGLU, an individual; ARNO MARUKIAN, a/k/a ARNO MARUKOGLU, an individual; and DOES I through 20, inclusive,
Defendants.

Powerchip, Coery Dillon was a very good football player. But, I don't think you should use him as "reference". Just google him, and find out about his character. Not saying a convict does not have rights. Furthermore, any response on the drug charges? I always thought coke in the '80's with Don Johnson in Miami to be more romantic/exciting than meth. in the present day. It(meth) makes you look so "hillbilly skinny" after awhile, and I do not recommend meth. without a good dental plan.
 

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Wow...Just Wow

Like the old adage says there are two sides to every story: yours...theirs...and the truth.
At the end of the day this forum was meant to be a bank of information for M5/M3/M6 enthusiasts.....sourced from fellow enthusiasts as well as commercial enterprises looking to sell/promote their product.
So the question: Is What Gustav posted originally relevant?.....IMHO it is for several reasons:

  • we already have a thread/sticky about unethical vendors..WHY?? because we as a community had determined that is was beneficial to ALL to be made aware of vendors that are not doing right by their customers through either product or customer service or both.
  • this forum provides vendors with an already sourced out pool of potential customers....forums like these are a vendors dream....they give them instant access to revenue...if they weren't they WOULD NOT PAY to be sponsors.
  • when vendors go on these forums...or quite frankly anyone.....they should prepare for potential 'bad press'...by that I mean that the internet is a accessible medium for people to vent their dissatisfaction with products or customer service...and when a vendor uses this medium to promote & benefit $$$ from they should be prepared for these instances and not whine about so and so saying bad things about me. My response would be to step and answer blow by blow what transpired....this goes both ways.....if a client wants to air their displeasure about a product/service/vendor...they should be prepared as well to have their claims rebuked in kind.
personally I would NEVER buy an aftermarket product in its development stage....but that is just me....and quite frankly it is my opinion that alot of the early FI builds were just that....and the learning curve is longer for some.
with that said....I hope that the truth comes out for all the members on this board that are considering using this/these products.
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Bah, here it goes. Its going back and forth and it will never end.

Those in the M5board community know that I have worked with Jeremy for a few years. When he was employed with PC, he was the one that came here to tune the cars for our performance packages. Me and Jeremy developed a friendship and but we did see things differently when it came to tuning. I am not familiar with tuning the BMW DMEs so I relied on his experience to do the BMW cars. I am however familiar with tuning in general as I have tuned multiple cars and I have tuned our own Opel NA-FI tune from scratch (took over 12 months). I have read and studied various tuning books, attending tuning schools, etc. Quite frankly, Wayne's comment about Jeremy being a "junior tuner" is not far from the truth. Junior tuners think about two things when they tune. They think leaning the AFR and increasing timing is gonna make more power. Although those things can increase power, there is a lot more to it than that. RPi's relationship with Powerchip broke when I noticed some things that was being done to the tunes that I did not agree with. There were conversations I had where I specifically asked for less timing and more fuel or less timing all together. I kept the comments and criticism to myself as my intentions were to just find someone else that can tune the BMWs for us to the standards that I wanted for RPi customers. So, yes, the reason we stopped working with PC and Jeremy was because I didnt think the changes were safe/reliable for what I wanted done. Now here is where I disagree with Wayne on another thread he posted.......specifically mentioning ESS and Active Autowerks. I couldnt disagree more. Out of all the tuners I had talked to AJ is the ONLY one that took the time to come to CA and prove what he could do. I agree with his tuning approach and hes the only person I have had tuning conversations with that didnt try to blow smoke up my @ss. This and for this reason ONLY have I chosen to work with ESS for ALL of the BMW and MB tuning for RPi projects. People are gonna say one thing or another because they want to show loyalty to a company. That is fine with me and infact, quite admirable. Its one thing to be loyal and its also another thing to be naive. Just remember that. Those who know me, know Im a straight shooter. Yes, I would arrest my friend if he was drinking and driving. Yes, I would do the same to my mother. One thing that is overlooked often is the power issue. A lot of people keep mentioning things like "they must be a good company. The car is FAST". SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT? Fast is not everything. Fast also has to be RELIABLE. Anyone that takes an entry level tuning class can somewhat tune a car to be fast. Its years of experience in tuning can do both while making a car last. People cry about this and that project taking a long time (ESS SC kits or even our exhaust projects). Yes, it takes time because there is a lot of work put into these things, even if some seem simple.

I tried to play this game nice but it really doesnt matter anymore. BTW, while Jeremy was here, I did not stop him from reading other cars that might have had other software here. So, this whole issue with the gpower and gintani doesnt surprise me in the least bit. So, I do expect a call soon as I always do when I post something......."Eloy, why are you talking sh*t?"
This isnt sh*t talk. This is just the truth from our side. Take it for what it is.

Please dont call because any threats geared to me does not matter to me.

lol, and then?

Also, my decision to only work with ESS is not biased. I met AJ from Rabdog who told me he wanted to try their tune. I told him that I have seen/heard of every tuner saying they can do this or that and ESS is no different. I told him "if they can really do it, have them come and let me dyno your car over and over and over again with hood down and NO cool down." Well, I got a call a week later letting me know that the two were flying to LA to tune the car and "prove" to me. :p I stood corrected. haha
 

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So, why are you telling everyone on a public forum? Or, are instructors not "allowed" to "be strapped". :haha:
CCW classes specifically teach you that you cant brandish or display your weapon, esp for an advantage over someone. :p CC is for personal or immediate party self defense only, meaning if the old lady down the street is getting mugged, your best option is to be a good witness.
 

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what if you went to help the old lady and the mugger started attacking you? then could you use your weapon?
 

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what if you went to help the old lady and the mugger started attacking you? then could you use your weapon?
You really shouldnt engage. You'll put yourself at risk and whoever is with you. You also put yourself in a bad legal position. :( This is a sue happy world...esp CA. You guys have it better in FL. I have a FL ccw too :) FL rocks!
 

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You really shouldnt engage. You'll put yourself at risk and whoever is with you. You also put yourself in a bad legal position. :( This is a sue happy world...esp CA. You guys have it better in FL. I have a FL ccw too :) FL rocks!
Man I'd rather get sued then sit idly by while someone gets mugged.

All the times when we hung out, I thought I was protected having you along Eloy. Now I know if something happens to me, you'd be standing there taking pics and notes. LOL!!!
 
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