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I received this info from several indepent from each other sources:

"The tuner Gintani uses "XX" tuning AKA "XXXXX" stole the G power M3 software from a local M3 and sold it to Gintani, thats what they use to run their supercharged E9X M3's. They tried to use the G Power M5 software in their project supercharged M5 but the design was too far off so it never worked right and im told the customer who's car they were using demanded it be put back to stock."

Anyone care to weigh in? :dunno:
 

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I hope this Board only allows posts concerning Gintani( or any accused for that matter) to be checked for authenticity and purpose/agenda. That is, keep it to first hand experience and not rumors or "I heard it thru the grapevine, aka. internet".
 

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Something like this would be hard to prove. FWIW tuner's are always trying to look at the others guys stuff and claim what they think they see or don't see and what usually follows is conjecture, speculation, accusations, etc., they always think the other guys stole their software, lol, some have even claimed that a very well respected known tuner ran "stock" software on their FI kit. It is a probably a crime to tamper with the ECU in the 1st place, but the hyperbole here from the usual suspects is just that, conjecture and innuendo, not for the community's sake I'm afraid, but for their own agendas.

Gustav,

Here's one way to see if there's any merit to your "calculated" post here, motors can fail, it happens, but I know of three cars that ran the Gpower M3 kit, all the cars blew up within a short period of time. I know of several cars running the Gintani kit, including myself, most of these kits have thousands of miles on them, so far the motors are all intact, some running 9+psi and Meth. Gpower blamed Meth for one of the three failures, this rumor has been proven false as well, FWIW AA runs Meth too.

I think that might be one SOLID indication the software between the two kits are quite different. Another solid indicator is that the DCT cars are not the same, there's never been a Gpower DCT car here in CA, so how did they tune those cars to run properly, etc. if they used Gpower's 6MT file?

Do you have any idea how good OE tuning is? Have you read the reviews in the car community? M3 owners are very happy with his tuning, the AMG world is very safisfied with his work as well. Who else has a "file switcher" where you can choose between two ECU files on a BMW? Did it ever occur to you and others that this guy is very good and capable at what he does and that he doesn't need to copy other companies files, and why would he if that particular tune blew up motors?

Having said that I give major props to Gpower for stepping up and paying for the blown motors, but it's very well known in the FI M3 community that their software was the problem and needed fixing, I believe they turned to another tuner for help, if they have fixed the problem, that's good news as the hardware on the gpower kit is outstanding, and they certainly have ran some very fast "verified" Vbox times.

As far as the Hurricane M5 claims, when did Gintani have a Gpower M5 hurricane in their shop? How in the world would they get that software?


Herocina,

Alex is a great guy who works hard and from what I've personally experienced, his M3 kit works great, I've got over 6K on it so far. FWIW all the Gintani Supercharger detractors told me the DCT wouldn't work, the car couldn't handle the boost it's etc., that "I was on borrowed time," I heard this Gpower rumor a long time ago as well, but all those rumor's, like this one seem to be untrue, the car has performed that's all I care about.

The tuner wars are normally based on "rumor" hersay, etc. Having said that what should concern all of us here that favor factual, proven, impartial information, are the actions of the forum owner who posts "rumor" with the intent to hurt a company, rather than what he knows to be facts or proven.

Marinjim,

Excellent words of advice, if only the likes of you were running this forum, well said. :cheers:
 

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I received this info from several indepent from each other sources:

"The tuner Gintani uses "XX" tuning AKA "XXXXX" stole the G power M3 software from a local M3 and sold it to Gintani, thats what they use to run their supercharged E9X M3's. They tried to use the G Power M5 software in their project supercharged M5 but the design was too far off so it never worked right and im told the customer who's car they were using demanded it be put back to stock."

Anyone care to weigh in? :dunno:
The M5 that was used was sold/returned after being put back to stock
 

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Here is a post off another forum referring to Gustav's post here, it is from one of the Gpower owners Gustav is referring too -

http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthread.php?3673-M5board-conspiring-with-ESS-to-destroy-Gintani-s-image&p=45388#post45388

I stumbled across this

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e90-m3-sedan-e92-m3-coupe-e93-m3-convertible-e46-m3-e36-m3-z4-m-z4-m-coupe/162119-rumour-gintani.html



LOL so my question is IF this supposedly happened then how the **** would Gintani get a G-power tune on their car before the two G-power owners that supposedly "gave up the tune" even got the ******* kit?

Why the **** would Gustav post this without real proof? Where is the real proof anyway? And if this really happened then the only two cars ( I was one of them) they could have possibly lifted the tune from both blew their motors so how would that help Gintani?

One other question how are all the gintani cars running so great on PUMP 91 gas without any problems for so many miles on various boost settings without issues.

These pricks starting these rumors have less brains then my *******. One thing I could say my car lasted 3 ******* weeks with the kit. Josh only lasted longer merely cause he had a lower boost kit then me but once he got the upgrade his motor died within 2 weeks. And the other G-power car I drove only ran good on race gas and once it was warmed up. It had severe cold star issues and dropped into limp mode almost daily on coldstart so if gintani had "stole" these garbage tunes all of the cars would have the same issues its that simple.

Oh well all this hater **** will stop soon enough I know Gintani is now being sold at a BMW dealer on brand new BMW's in Europe now. So I guess they know their **** enough.
 

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Hehe, that post is hilarious. Look at the post and you already see the difference between the two forums. :)
Eloy, approach is one thing but posting conjecture and rumor is hardly a merit, lol, I find this thread and parts of your akra vs. rpi thread, hilarious as well. :)

But it's hard to argue some of it, I've had great success with the Gintani X-pipe utilizing OEM muffer as well. ;)
 

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Here is a post off another forum referring to Gustav's post here, it is from one of the Gpower owners Gustav is referring too -

Bimmerboost - BMW Performance
Eloy, approach is one thing but posting conjecture and rumor is hardly a merit, lol, I find this thread and parts of your akra vs. rpi thread, hilarious as well. :)

But it's hard to argue some of it, I've had great success with the Gintani X-pipe utilizing OEM muffer as well. ;)
As long as you approach things with an open mind, there is always something to learn. I have no doubt about your set up working well. :) There is a lot that goes on behind the doors in this industry. This is why I do things right or dont do it at all. So, when the truth comes out, I NEVER worry about it because I'v done things right. Either way, some things are meant to be kept behind the doors. IM NOT SAYING IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. I am simply saying there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes.
 

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I can add that I have heard this rumour (stolen G-Power M3 ECU) from many from each other independent sources.
 

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I didn't know about this war , and i'm glad i didn't know about it because it's disgusting . This forum is for M cars not G-Power or ESS or Gintani or any other company and it's not a fan club either.(I'm a fan of Drew)
And Gustav why we post something which we know the result won't be good ?
 

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Because truth should always come out. Gintani are welcome to post here as well.

I didn't know about this war , and i'm glad i didn't know about it because it's disgusting . This forum is for M cars not G-Power or ESS or Gintani or any other company and it's not a fan club either.(I'm a fan of Drew)
And Gustav why we post something which we know the result won't be good ?
 

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I know nothing of this particular instance,but I am familiar with Tuners trying to reverse engineer a tune first hand.The first time it happened the person was trying to figure out how [email protected] ESS tuned my ECU , without success BTW.The second time it happened I was just blown away and will never let my car out of my sight again as it is proprietary information.So I do know people try to obtain information on other peoples tunes.
It can happen,but like I said I have never heard of this particular situation before reading it here today.
The tuner pissing wars always is a part of the street tuning business it seems.
 

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Jeremy Fleming

I can confirm that Jeremy Fleming read a supercharged M3 that had Gpower software fitted, and did so whilst he was working for us. He did so without the companies knowledge or consent. This stolen file was then used as a base for other supercharged cars.

This was being done while Jeremy was not entitled to earn income from outside our company.

Powerchip has never been paid for the work on the supercharged m3's that was being done at Gintani whilst Jeremy was contracted to work solely for Powerchip.

The Gintani "crew" including people like John Martin called Jeremy's secret work "ghost tuning". When a hidden folder was found containing the files which had been completed (but Powerchip never aware of or paid for) we made a record of the information in an excel spreadsheet.

After we advised Jeremy that his services were no longer required because we found tge hidden folder called "YO", we contacted Alex from Gintani by telephone and advised him that I had become aware that Jeremy was providing him with tuning. Alex stated to me that despite us having dates and in some cases VIN numbers, that we would never be able to prove that the work was done for Gintani.

It was then that Alex told me he carries a gun for protection, and that I should stop that line of inquiry.

We have retained the details of the cars that were completed without our knowledge, and I am happy to detail them on here if requested.

If members have any questions, I wil do my best to address them here.
 

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I know nothing of this particular instance,but I am familiar with Tuners trying to reverse engineer a tune first hand.The first time it happened the person was trying to figure out how [email protected] ESS tuned my ECU , without success BTW.The second time it happened I was just blown away and will never let my car out of my sight again as it is proprietary information.So I do know people try to obtain information on other peoples tunes.
It can happen,but like I said I have never heard of this particular situation before reading it here today.
The tuner pissing wars always is a part of the street tuning business it seems.
yes, this happens a lot. Its funny how I can have one person tune something, then when another person tunes it later and says "hey, this is my file." This actually happens a lot in the tuning industry.

I can confirm that Jeremy Fleming read a supercharged M3 that had Gpower software fitted, and did so whilst he was working for us. He did so without the companies knowledge or consent. This stolen file was then used as a base for other supercharged cars.

This was being done while Jeremy was not entitled to earn income from outside our company.

Powerchip has never been paid for the work on the supercharged m3's that was being done at Gintani whilst Jeremy was contracted to work solely for Powerchip.

The Gintani "crew" including people like John Martin called Jeremy's secret work "ghost tuning". When a hidden folder was found containing the files which had been completed (but Powerchip never aware of or paid for) we made a record of the information in an excel spreadsheet.

After we advised Jeremy that his services were no longer required because we found tge hidden folder called "YO", we contacted Alex from Gintani by telephone and advised him that I had become aware that Jeremy was providing him with tuning. Alex stated to me that despite us having dates and in some cases VIN numbers, that we would never be able to prove that the work was done for Gintani.

It was then that Alex told me he carries a gun for protection, and that I should stop that line of inquiry.

We have retained the details of the cars that were completed without our knowledge, and I am happy to detail them on here if requested.

If members have any questions, I wil do my best to address them here.
Aside from this the tuning thing, I hope what you said is not true. As a firearms instructor, we ALWAYS let the students know that they should never make it be known that they "carry a gun."
 

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I can confirm that Jeremy Fleming read a supercharged M3 that had Gpower software fitted, and did so whilst he was working for us. He did so without the companies knowledge or consent. This stolen file was then used as a base for other supercharged cars.

This was being done while Jeremy was not entitled to earn income from outside our company.

Powerchip has never been paid for the work on the supercharged m3's that was being done at Gintani whilst Jeremy was contracted to work solely for Powerchip.

The Gintani "crew" including people like John Martin called Jeremy's secret work "ghost tuning". When a hidden folder was found containing the files which had been completed (but Powerchip never aware of or paid for) we made a record of the information in an excel spreadsheet.

After we advised Jeremy that his services were no longer required because we found tge hidden folder called "YO", we contacted Alex from Gintani by telephone and advised him that I had become aware that Jeremy was providing him with tuning. Alex stated to me that despite us having dates and in some cases VIN numbers, that we would never be able to prove that the work was done for Gintani.

It was then that Alex told me he carries a gun for protection, and that I should stop that line of inquiry.

We have retained the details of the cars that were completed without our knowledge, and I am happy to detail them on here if requested.

If members have any questions, I wil do my best to address them here.
Wayne,

It is common knowledge that a G-Power file was read from a car after it blew up on my dyno. This was determine the cause of the failure. It was caused from excessive timing. Before this occurred I had 2 customer cars as well as my own car running superchargers, driving, on the road. So I can't see any inference. Ask the customer who's car is in question. He will tell you how he had ridden in my own car before this car was even finished build.
As for Jon Martin a Gintani customer and also G-power customer (his engine blew up too after installing a G-power supercharger kit), he was a customer of yours who had Jeremy custom dyno tune his vehicle at Gintani. This was paid for in full to Powerchip.
As for the gun, I have never told you I carry a gun nor do I need one for protection. FWI I can do just fine with out one. But I am a proud gun owner. So what???
I did not want to resort to desperate name calling..... Well here goes.
How are the assault charges going Wayne? Can't leave your hands to yourself?
What about Meth-Amphetamine Production at your House which is also Powerchip office in Melbourne, Australia? Or what about said current employee doing the same while in the USA working briefly in the USA office? Or perhaps the white powders that would arrive at offices in USA and Australia? Or instruction to send on powders onto Australia office after it arrived at USA office? How many times has the PC AUS office been raided by Drug Squad/Police in relation to drug investigations? What was seized in said raids? How many drug addicts and criminals are currently employed at your Australian office? What about your taxes Wayne? Do you pay them? How many employees never had 1099s or W2s signed? Did you pay their taxes? What about not paying Travis? Or how you revoked his ownership after 10 loyal years of service? The list goes on and on......
I feel embarrassed that I have been led to this point. We are known not to name call or even post on threads, but you have kept pushing.
Wether it is good or bad thanks for the publicity Wayne. Any member's want jucier details please call or PM.
If you want to keep pushing all criminal details of you and employees will be posted, just like you did to Jeremy. I hope it does not lead to that.

Alex

I can add that I have heard this rumour (stolen G-Power M3 ECU) from many from each other independent sources.
Gustav,

As a forum owner I would think you would not rely on rumor for the things you can be quoted on. As for you saying we stole our M5 tune, wtf? Where do you get off? As for the Gintani M5 SC the car's performance was awesome just to add. This car was returned to stock due to the owner's lease being up. We are in the middle of moving shop and once settled we will release details of the car and its performance. We have another one........
 
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