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After receiving my first ticket while in the M5 this morning on HWY 17 during the commute (I was actually stopped in traffic when the cop pulled me over and told me his CHP buddy in another had nailed me while going the other direction around a curve =P), I've decided that perhaps getting one of those radar jammers might not be such a bad idea. Has anyone had experience with these? I would like to get a model that would be professionally mounted inside the front/rear bumpers to avoid detection by the Man as well as keeping my dash/windshield clutter free. Recommendations on models and installers in the Bay Area would be greatly appreciated.

On a side note, has anyone in this forum successfully challenged a speeding ticket?
 

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Karl,

Sorry to hear about your ticket....

I got nailed on Saturday at 7:00 in the morning on 85 south near 880 (radar). I was going 100+ luckily he wrote me up for 85.

Anyway I'm in the market for radar protection as well. The Valentine V1 seem to be a pretty good choice from what I've researched. Unfortunately I'm not aware of a undetectable mounting scheme. The K40 has a stealth mounting but its pretty pricey.

Let me know what you find, I'll let you know what I decide on....

-Bob
 

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I got a ticket on 92 and invested in the V1. It's fairly well concealed (mounted directly above-right of the rear view mirror. back a bit), and it's saved my *** a number of times.

--Dan
 

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V1 good. I prefer the K40. In side by side (see this board), K40 get's the knod.
I LOVE mine.
 

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Originally posted by Karl:
After receiving my first ticket while in the M5 this morning on HWY 17

Karl, why don't you add this post to my traffic ticket post request.
 

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I have an article in EVO magazine (pommie publication) on beating the speed traps. They tested 7 detectors (incl V1 and the K40 jammer) the best detector (windscreen mounted) was the Bel 990.

BUT! the best jammer out there IMO is the Blinder M-10 Twin Plus.
http://www.laserbusters.com/blinder.htm

read a bit about it there and you can also order it if you want...

hope that helps a bit...
 

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Did the EVO article say whether or not the K40 was VG2 detectable or not? K40's website doesn't say which leads me to assume the worst.

Thank you for any information in advance.
Mark
 

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Errrr.... what's VG2???

The EVO issue is No. 15 from Jan 2000, i highly recommend getting your hands on a copy to read the full test (they used real cops and all the equipment they used in England, explains how radar and laser work, how the radar traps/ speed cameras and laser guns work and the winning detector (the Bel 990 was 100 pounds cheaper than V1 and detected everything better than the V1 (the Blinder device i mentioned earlier was not tested and i am not sure of its radar capability...

cheers
 

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Does anyone know what the legality of using radar detectors in the UK is?

Maranello Man - maybe that was mentioned in your magazine?
 

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Radar detectors in the UK are now legal as of 1998 I believe.

Beltronics makes special radars to identify Gatsos and Mini-Gatsos. I suggest the Bel 990 for the UK
 

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Grad X - EVO also recommended the Bel 990 which beat Valentine 1 in almost every area (but lacks the 360 degree protection i s'pose..

as for the legality here is what EVO had to say..

As of Jan 1998 it became legal to use radar detectors. It was ruled that the signal from a radar or laser gun is not a police message and therefore that detectors are not contravening the Wireless Telegraphy Act. So you can happily buy one and acquire an extra pair of eyes that in some circumstances can identify speed traps further down the road than you can.
Diffusers (jammers) and Backflash (the one that uses slave flashes either side of the number plate to overexpose the plate when a gatso camera takes a photo of your car) are a diferent case entirely. There is no clearly defined legal position on either at present, though both can be considered to be attempting to pervert the course of justice, the laser jammer because it disperses the laser beam, obstructing an officer in his duties, Backflash because it attempts to tamper with evidence. If the officer with the laser gun fails to get a reading and is a little street-wise, he may well stop you anyway to find out why. If he discovers the device, you could be in a whole heap of trouble.
The advert for Backflash states that it is a device intended only for the protection of the rich and famous against paparazzi attack. The manufacturer acknowledges that 'improper use' is illegal. What they don't tell you is that it's no defence against a Gatso either (it failed to overexpose the part around the number plate of a photo from a Gatso in the test.)

so there ya go.

i'd go Bel 990 (or the very stealthy blinder laser jammer)

Cheers

Dylan
 

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I still would buy a V1 because of the direction indicator. I hate having to look all around when there's a chirp from the radar.
 

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K40.

My installation is fantastic - the indicator lights look like they belong where they are; the knob is hidden on the side of my driver's seat.

It saved my butt twice - with plenty of time to spare - on a 400-mile drive.

Alps
 

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Maranello Man,

Sorry about the cryptic question. I have only learned about VG2 recently since investigating radar detectors. It is a "radar detector" detector that the police can use to detect cars that are using radar detectors.

You can follow the pointer you gave below to www.speedzones.com which actually shows the official test results of the Blinder and other products. One of the tests (only applicable to the radar detectors) was to see if the detectors were detectable. The V1 and Bel were not, some of the others were. They did not rate the K40 which is why I asked the question.

While trying to avoid sounding too ignorant, I have never heard of EVO magazine, but I'll see if I can find their website and order the back issue. I'm just not sure I will receive it quickly enough to influence my decision.

Thanks,
Mark
 

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All,

I have experience with both K40 (built-in) as well as V1. Previous to my M5, I owned a 1998 Dinan-supercharged M3 and had the K40 system with the front laser jammer inside of the license plate holder. While I never got a ticket (God knows I drove this car very fast ALL of the time!!!), I never quite felt comfortable since it did not have a visual display telling me if it was X, K or Ka band it was receiving?? I always had to rely on the chirps for this?? This system costs $1100.00 and works well and is definitely stealth.

However, once I bought the M5 I decided to try out the V1 and even used it in addition to the installed K40 in my M3 until I sold it about a month later. What I discovered was that the V1 was picking up radar much quicker than the K40 and was much more accurate. Therefore, I have now converted and have 3 V1's, one for each of my vehicles.

Bottom line...I think the K40 works well, however for much less money ($400.00 vs $1100.00) I like the V1 better.. only down side is no laser jammer (no biggie since police in Houston do not use laser much at all) and it is not as hidden as the K40.

my 2 cents worth!

Andy
 

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Thanks for the response. I did quite a bit of web surfing tonight looking for radar detector evaluations and I found quite a few. I found a Car & Driver evaluation, a Covette magazine evaluation, and a few "independent" evaluators out there and they seemed fairly consistent.

None of them thought all that much of the K40. Most thought a lot of the V1. The Escort Passport SR-1 was also well liked and may be more what I am looking for since I do not want a window or dash mounted unit.

Mark

Originally posted by Maranello Man:
The EVO magazine site is www.evo.co.uk

i think you can order back issues there...

as for VG2, the evo test mentioned nothing of it...
 

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I originally looked at complete K-40 concealed installation. Too pricey compare to standard V-1.

Looking at this board I never saw anybody mentioning a combination (well there was someone with complete K-40 plus V-1).

But if you look at K-40 catalog - there is just K-40 "Laser DefuserPlus" for retail $299.95 - with 1 year laser tickets coverage.

Thus - V-1 plus just K-40 Laser defuser (it can be hidden into the cluster)

my $0.02 = 0.05DM

Vas,

07/00 M5 Silverstone/Sport
 

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Well, after seeing all these posts (thanks to everyone!), surfing the web, and talking to installers, I've decided to go with the K40. The V1 may be faster in picking up radar and less expensive, but I REALLY wanted to avoid having that thing hanging from my windshield or visor. The installers (Monney Car Audio in Redwood City) will be putting the on/off knob in the small center compartment and the 3 lights will be installed where the phone lights are next to the navigation display. Since I don't have the phone installed, this is a perfect solution for me. Again, thanks for all the comments on this issue. This board rocks!
 
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