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After being on the wait list since July 03 had my first in person viewing yesterday, after seeing all the photo's and videos, never disliked the look but I would have to say it looks better in person especially side and ¾ views. Was a bit disappointed that the engines were not on display as in Detroit, Cadillac, Dodge etc. had all performance engines on display. Also the car was elevated to the point that the interior dash etc. was not visible although a few people jumped up on the podium to peek.
 

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You should have no problem getting into the car if (a) you chat up the BMW representative near the car and (b) stay until closing time when they should open the car up to such a knowledgeable and polite customer!;)

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I just don't understand why the cars should be locked up. Weren't they open in Detroit and LA?
locking M5 up for autoshow is totally not understandable nor acceptable. it's like going to gym, but say i am not going to do any work out because i might hurt myself.

after all, the car they have in the show is in pre-production spec. which was made specifically for shows like this, and will have to be destroyed shortly after production of the M5 begins.
 

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not open in NY and the whole show was a big waste... the "technical reps" from BMW knew less than I did, though they did confirm the 550 for Sept

cant get near the M5, its high on a stage and no one is getting in at NY
 

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They have to lock them up because people would literally make off with everything that is removable (and even some things that don't appear to be removable). If the car were unlocked, it would be stripped bare. You would have none of the following by the end of show: steering wheel, smg flippers, pedals, gear shift knob, cupholders, ashtray, etc.

However, as I mentioned, you could stick around until closing time at which point they should open it up especially if you have developed a rapport with the BMW representative minding the car.

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m630 said:
not open in NY and the whole show was a big waste... the "technical reps" from BMW knew less than I did, though they did confirm the 550 for Sept

cant get near the M5, its high on a stage and no one is getting in at NY
I have to concur minus the "big waste". The rep said that there will be NO manual gearbox?? When I insisted, he said one of the engineers of the car was also here and he did not know anything about a manual car..... We had a long discussion regarding run-flats, Active steering and ARS..... The car is on a stage....so you can't get in it...but it is the same as a 5'er...... The M5 didn't have a moonroof????? He also said that the car rode rough in the sport setting....He was a production specialist and drove/travelled with the car from show to show.....

He also said that BMW are thinking about eliminating the 400/500 power mode. In US we may get all of the 507 hp when we start the engine....

He also was shocked at the condition of the streets in the Big Apple......
I told him to make a BMW M5 (soft version) with 450hp all of the time, with a six speed manual and a softer suspension..... He smiled....
 

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Spiroman said:
They have to lock them up because people would literally make off with everything that is removable (and even some things that don't appear to be removable). If the car were unlocked, it would be stripped bare. You would have none of the following by the end of show: steering wheel, smg flippers, pedals, gear shift knob, cupholders, ashtray, etc.

However, as I mentioned, you could stick around until closing time at which point they should open it up especially if you have developed a rapport with the BMW representative minding the car.

Best regards,

Spiroman
Not allowing people in the car is total BS. Both cars in Detroit were completely open and accesable, and there was nothing missing when I went in the cars. Hey, there were never fewer than 2 people in the car and a line waiting to get in at any time, so when the hell are people going to steal things?? That is a ridiculous reason to keep a car locked up, even in NYC.
 

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Yeah, I don't see all of those parts being stolen from a car that dozens of people can see at any given second. The steering wheel? That would be a neat trick.

Total BS... making me want to take a pass on getting an early example.
 

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Spiroman said:
They have to lock them up because people would literally make off with everything that is removable (and even some things that don't appear to be removable). If the car were unlocked, it would be stripped bare. You would have none of the following by the end of show: steering wheel, smg flippers, pedals, gear shift knob, cupholders, ashtray, etc.

However, as I mentioned, you could stick around until closing time at which point they should open it up especially if you have developed a rapport with the BMW representative minding the car.

Best regards,

Spiroman
true, true, and true. but that still doesn't justify BMW's decison in locking the car up.
first of all, NYC is a much well developed city with much more wealthy people than Detroit. and if they unlock not one, but both M5 in Detroit, i don't see why it cannot be done in New York.

and second. the whole point of pre-production car is to be showed in various auto shows. and it will be destroy afterwards. since BMW is not allow to sell the car, why do they care about getting parts stolen?
 

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Looks like the rules of the game are different in different cities. I agree that the whole reason you go to a car show is to be able to sit in the car and enjoy the experience of what it feels like to be swaddled in the luxury of "merino leather" seating (whatever that is - I thought merino was a kind of wool, but I could be wrong).;)

There seems to be no rhyme or reason as to where they leave the car unlocked and where they lock it up so tight that all we get to do is press our face against the window leaving a lovely faceprint which gets wiped off almost immediately by the ubiquitous cleaning folks.:nono:

By the way, the one they had in Toronto was interlagos blue with an undistinguished black interior and inexplicable wood grain trim. Also, no sunroof as it was Euro spec (I actually heard someone say "how can they charge this much for a car and not give you a sunroof?").ouich

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All,

I went a couple days back at closing and did get the chance to sit in the M5. There was a group of 4-5 of us. The reps themself are completely clueless.

As far as the car being locked. It makes sense for NYC. 2/3 years ago when I went to see the Lexus IS300 at the show, the gear nob, radio buttons, sun visors were all gone; plus someone tried to pull out the hand brake.

As far as the interior of the car. I reserve judgement and advise people to draw their own conclusions.

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In addition to being locked up the car was elevated three feet from the ground level on a platform, surrounded by a railing so there was no looking inside below the window sills.
Mdrei said:
All,

I went a couple days back at closing and did get the chance to sit in the M5. There was a group of 4-5 of us. The reps themself are completely clueless.

As far as the car being locked. It makes sense for NYC. 2/3 years ago when I went to see the Lexus IS300 at the show, the gear nob, radio buttons, sun visors were all gone; plus someone tried to pull out the hand brake.

As far as the interior of the car. I reserve judgement and advise people to draw their own conclusions.

.Mdrei
 

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Mdrei said:
All,

I went a couple days back at closing and did get the chance to sit in the M5. There was a group of 4-5 of us. The reps themself are completely clueless.

As far as the car being locked. It makes sense for NYC. 2/3 years ago when I went to see the Lexus IS300 at the show, the gear nob, radio buttons, sun visors were all gone; plus someone tried to pull out the hand brake.

As far as the interior of the car. I reserve judgement and advise people to draw their own conclusions.

.Mdrei
OK, now let me understand, a $30,000 Lexus IS300 had the gear knob, radio buttons, and sun visors all gone??? Sounds like the BMW brass heard that story before they planned the display.
 

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OK, now let me understand, a $30,000 Lexus IS300 had the gear knob, radio buttons, and sun visors all gone??? Sounds like the BMW brass heard that story before they planned the display.
Do you know how much it costs BMW to set up at a trade show like this one? I can tell you it's likely to be a high six figure number or even a low seven figure number just for one show. The displays are planned months in advance. I'm not so sure they let petty theivery make their decisions for them. I do agree that shift knobs go "missing" at auto shows, seen it a hundred times. I just think that the car is locked up on a platform for a much bigger reason.

I imagine the real reason is in line with their tight lipped treatment of the feature set for the US market. It was probably not a full US spec and might just beg too many questions from the media. Questions about seats and sunroofs and cup holders and manual transmissions, etc... I know the US pubs are bombarding them right now and maybe they're just tired of saying, "I don't know".

My 2cents.

Celsius :typing:

PS. They didn't even bring it to the LA show! grrrrrrr
 

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Do you know how much it costs BMW to set up at a trade show like this one? I can tell you it's likely to be a high six figure number or even a low seven figure number just for one show. The displays are planned months in advance. I'm not so sure they let petty theivery make their decisions for them. I do agree that shift knobs go "missing" at auto shows, seen it a hundred times. I just think that the car is locked up on a platform for a much bigger reason.

I imagine the real reason is in line with their tight lipped treatment of the feature set for the US market. It was probably not a full US spec and might just beg too many questions from the media. Questions about seats and sunroofs and cup holders and manual transmissions, etc... I know the US pubs are bombarding them right now and maybe they're just tired of saying, "I don't know".

My 2cents.

Celsius :typing:

PS. They didn't even bring it to the LA show! grrrrrrr
although i cannot speak for New York Auto Show. but i think i know the reason they locked up M5 in Toronto Auto Show. i talked to the BMW representative in Toronto Auto Show, and she said the M5 in the show was BMW USA's property, and thus BMW of Canada was unable to insure it for some reason. and thus they weren't allowed to unlock the car for the public.
 

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tifosi said:
although i cannot speak for New York Auto Show. but i think i know the reason they locked up M5 in Toronto Auto Show. i talked to the BMW representative in Toronto Auto Show, and she said the M5 in the show was BMW USA's property, and thus BMW of Canada was unable to insure it for some reason. and thus they weren't allowed to unlock the car for the public.
lol that really stupied , whoever property it is,
IT IS A **** AUTO SHOW " YOU JUST DON'T LOCK THE
**** DOORS" if it was Bently or A Ferrari everyone would
be pissed off and maybe not even givin good reviews about
it if that happned grrrrrrr grrrrrrr grrrrrrr
 

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Demon M6 said:
lol that really stupied , whoever property it is,
IT IS A **** AUTO SHOW " YOU JUST DON'T LOCK THE
**** DOORS" if it was Bently or A Ferrari everyone would
be pissed off and maybe not even givin good reviews about
it if that happned grrrrrrr grrrrrrr grrrrrrr
like i said, locking car up for auto show is like going to gym but decided to not work out because you might get hurt.

totally unacceptable. if BMW can afford to spend so much money going to an autoshow, what does that extra expense of gear knobs, wood trim, and mirrors do to their expense?
 
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