Well, six or seven hundred, anyway...Peter B said:http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101842
soon there will be 1000hp 4 door sedans coming out of Germany. What is BMW's philosophy on forced induction?
Very well said pal, divine words! I totally agree with you. It's all about pleasure and not just power!!! :cheers:guffit said:What's the point in developing cars with such unreasonable horsepower numbers, anyway? I mean you can't even harness a 330i's full potential on any public road, anyway... o.k. you might think of motorways, German Autobahn, but you know that's just infant behavior to take joy in "hey I just destroyed that f****** Porsche/Ferrari/BMW/Viper/whatever with my oh so brutal AMG" ... and don't start talking about stoplight drag races, that's even worse. I mean beating other cars on motorways or drag races isn't exactly what I'd call "Sheer driving pleasure". All I can hope for is that BMW - and especially its M division - keep to the core values that I love BMWs for, namely precise and connected steering, immediate response, sharp throttle, etc... to build cars that are fun to drive in a city as well as on a race track... cause it's on a race track where "Sheer driving pleasure" actually takes place... and I am still waiting for the day when I can call a AMG to be a pleasure to drive on a race track. The horsepower race is nothing I'd like to see BMW win in, as long as they keep their cars driveable. A current E55 AMG already got traction problems and if you turn off the driving aids then... you know what I mean... so I don't see any point in developing a 700bhp AMG... BMW keep to your tradition
People here seems less concern about pure straight line speed or stop light drag race than the people over in any MB/AMG board. And what good 700hp makes if you can only put 50% of the horsepower on the road, or less in turns?Peter B said:i thought pleasure was what mb's were about? now you get pleasure with monster power. and why isnt 700hp a good thing? you go faster in a straight line than brake hard for the next corner. on a track or a desalate road. i live with desolate roads around me and a 330i or a 230k would bore me to death. wouldnt you rather have a 0-60 in 3.8 versus 4.7? its just basic acceleration we all love. and with the smg were now on the same page. so it doenst matter how much power an amg has itll always get flattened by an m on the track b/c the amg is a boat? honestly, the cars arent that far apart and unlike some bmer fellas on the mb site who flame away im just looking to see some honest back and forth but no one seems to want to have a diologue. hmmm...... just looking for an open discussion on the two.
I think I answered you question on "WHY NOT MORE HP". The thing is bmer demand control > power where mber perfer power > control. I think this fact is extremely obvious from a short study of the companies' history. It is like I go over to MB board and scream about why MB doesn't make a better handling car. I closely follow MBworld.org and know members there react to anything regarding BMW. It is either dumb or you are just out of your mind to come all the way here to post a stupid question like this.Peter B said:mb upping the stakes is provocative??? mhh puts bye bye e55 :byebye: on the amg board and thats ok i guess. my statements are as unbiased as humanly possible, i just dont know anyone who has an m5 so where better to go then the m5 board to discuss the "other" 500hp 4 door german sedan. jeez, not one single reply to one single inquiry i have. only assertions that amg's are essentially a "monster motor in a buick". im sorry but i thought it would go better than this. is the typical bmer more closed-minded than an mbr? who knows but give and take isnt happening here. its your way and thats it.
careful, ad hominem attacks might get you banned. has anyone ever driven a 211? and im simply "asking" hey, my car has 620+ hp, has been lowered and has 19's, maybe an amg might do A LOT better on the track than previously thought, no? i havent insulted anyone! and ive owned bmw's, i like them. but there is only, "your car is a pig" "we like our hp because we can use it all anyway so yours is unwarranted" "we smoke you on the track" and "youre an infant because you can beat a viper etc in a drag race"BMWforever said:It is either dumb or you are just out of your mind to come all the way here to post a stupid question like this.
Nice words! This is a serious, neutral discussion. Although IMO it is not always like as you said.Ditto said:Here we go again................
With 11.500 members on the M5 board, someone will always reply with the old hp/traction thing. This is simply something you have to live with. The MBWorld has got 23.000 members. Negative things will now and then be said about the M5. We have to accept this. Why? Cars create a lot of emotions. If you love MB, you will most likely not feel the same about BMW or Audi. If you love BMW, then the other two will probably not be on top of your Christmas list. Will we ever agree on which car is better? Of course not, this is where the passion for "our" car kicks in.
What I find funny is that some of us also register to other board, just to tell our new "buddies" that the grass is greener at the other side of the fence. These are usually new and young members that don't represent her/his "own" community in the best possible way. I doubt that many long-time MBWorld or M5board members would sign in both places, unless they have a serious interest the other make as well. The next time either parties reads a post from a "grass is greener" member, check out her/his status on the other board before you take the post to seriously. My guess is that the person has about 30 posts on her/his own board, and therefore hardly represent a proper MBWorld/M5board member very well.