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Just came back from a relatively short viewing-appointment of this one in NL. It's offered by a (what some would call probably) bit shabby free dealer in NL. Very friendly people though. They're called 'Challenge Cars' and are located in Utrecht. Asking 13-13.5K for it.

This is AFAIK one of the 3-4 6-spd. Tourings sold originally in NL. (I have one of the others kinggf ) Was thinking of adding it to my collection. Also, does anyone know the last number built BTW ? Karl ? This should be one of the last...
Taking the effort of giving below a short overview of what was found. For Karl's register and to give people an indication before driving over for nothing eventually... :dunno:

It's offered as a 1st. owner, completely dealer-maintained car with full service history, 'the most beautifull one in NL', etc.
Hmmm, what can I say. It would be AT LEAST 3rd owner, counting more on 4th or 5th...which doesn't have to be an issue on itself. Really nice is a big pile of bills with it, starting from within 90K KM's, almost all from BMW, indicating even a complete engine-replacement at aprox. 98K KM's if my memory serves me right ! (somewhere in the 90's) The booklet is filled in, though either the last owner skipped a couple of services inbetween (which wouldn't wonder me when looking at the whole picture) or they were done somewhere else. Good news is that the dealer of the last owner was sensible IMHO and used the Castrol TWS 10W60. Bad news is that up to around 150K KM's or more it was filled with some 0W30, very bad news for this engine IMHO...

The very first impression...Oh-my-god... The car had done 215K KM's, which seems to be right when seeing the bills and doing the ODO-trick and seeing the chassis-nr. nicely in the display, but I'm truly amazed to see how someone can run-down a car like that, which is in terms of materials used really quite high quality, making it look like it did 400-500K KM's !
Mine which isn't perfect and did about 202.600KM's now looks an awfull lot better, almost new compared to this !

No, no big white spots or tears in the leather, but things like A FEW HOLES in the side-cover drivers-sided of the trunk, the whole trunk making an impression of having been used in a construction-site as garbage-bin, the rear-couch having it's leather loosened from the cushions, almost all side-and rear-pannels (doors, seats, A, B and C-pillars, trunk) having been scuffed, scratched, etc. ...even up till the ceiling !! Also the seats at the front and consoles didn't look far as 'still fresh' on other E34 tourings at this mileages, regardless if M5 or not. And the trunk-cover rollo was missing :(
The guys said 'the previous owner had dogs... Well, possible...Not all things looked dog-related like though, more like 'really don't care'... grrrrrrr

The front-seats had several probs with the electrics, no seat-heating as offered, a whole in place of an alarm-led, a stinger taken out but halfway decent, electric-mirrors not working, the boot-lid not always opening (servo not heard -> the ol' cableing issue for the rear-lid...:confused3 ) etc. Oh yeah, and the pannel in the center with your radio in it was removed but not re-fitted properly. Still sticking out by a centimeter with the radio not properly aligned and the ash-tray unable to get opened this way because stuck !

Then the exterior. At first glance not that bad....but not that great either with some scratches at the side. Then quickly the incorrectly fitted mask at the front (the part in which the kidneys are), the bent rear-spoiler at the bottom and also not properly aligned, the missing towing-hook cover (driving S38's and using it to tow is generally a bad idea...) and then the loosening paint on the rear bumper on a few spots give the indication it may have been re-sprayed. If, when looking at the colors, it will have been done all around probably, up till window-height. No big color-differs could be seen quickly.
No contrast-color was on the bottom, don't know if this one was ordered with/without or even possible in this 'fjord-grau' ?
What could be seen was some rust though. Especially the lower end on the front fenders for example. It can still be welded though is a bit more, would probably opt for new fenders possibly...Also a few spots on other locations, and bad below the plastic-coating of the roof-guides for a roof-rack, front-to-back, making the first impression quite bad, but non around the Tank-flap for example. (from the outside)

The engine ran quite nice, though was already warm when arriving there. (I HATE it when they do that... :( ) Let it idle for a long time, didn't go up really, though maybe a bit too short. Maybe getting time again for some valve-adjustment check. No real side-noises to be heard. They tried to clean the engine-bay which didn't really succeed, making it look not so attractive. Maybe better to have left it alone.
The EDC was showing a constant lid LED in both P and S. To my knowledge, that should only be in S, right ? The exhaust was smoking light, but nothing too significant. Some moist in the muffler, most likely condens though. The engine picked up the throttle nicely.
It didn't exactely feel 100% when shifting, mine's not perfect but a lot better than this, though it did go into all gears.

After having seen all, didn't want to waste anyone's time, first I discussed a bit how one could land price-wise. They did want to drop by quite some, but set a limit still waaaaay too high for this thing. Don't want to give values here, that's their business, but still way above 10K. So didn't see the need to drive. Just gave them a rough offer, with the limit of 'depending how the test-drive goes' as well as my details and we'll see what happens.

I think if one can do some stuff themselves, find a good E34 Touring donor-car with black full-leather in good shape c.q. good plastics and roof-guides, can do also E-seat and misc electric-work yourselves, have a cheap but good body-worker/-sprayer and so, one can probably get away with investing some 3-4K Euro to get a halfway decent car again. Not including event. maintenance open and still left with some flaws though. Significantly more if you need to have other stuff done or can't do certain things yourself c.q. if you want it to become really nice again ! :sad3:

Overall, after seeing this and having heard stories via/via of the current state of another 6-spd. touring in Holland (imported though), at least I know now I really don't have the worst one here...who knows, maybe the best ! :biggrin:
If this thing is going to make the 13.5K BTW...what would mine be worth ? 20K ? :eek7: Dunno, don't think so. As long as it's not on US-registration... :byebye:

Oh, and not to forget...not the nicest thing to see a car like this run-down like that...a real shame. :grrrrr:
The last owner may have been/be around here and thought of things differently, I did see a copy of the BMW build-sheet, though don't recall all, had to fly-over because of time-restraints...Would have double-checked if the car would have been better or things ran different. Going through the bills already did take some time...


Cya
 

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TBPH I would not mind at all getting a nice well-cared German car over any Dutch car unless I would know exactly who owned it.

The idiot phase in Holland did more harm to these cars than the idiot phase in Germany if that ever occured..I never put much value in cars being originally Dutch, and yes I learned the hard way.

Just make sure you get it yourself in Germany or have someone get it.

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BL01934 was offered for sale before in autumn 2002 by RMC cars in Leiden. Originally asking price then was Euro 27500, however I believe it went for around 22500 Euro's. RMC sold the car with the complete maintenance history (bills etc).

A factory new engine was installed in September 2000 by Ekris in Veenendaal. Unfortunatelly the bill doesn't mention the mileage, however Ekris credited the first owner with a discount of 85,35% (total bill exactly hfl 5k).

Too bad that BL01934 is in a shape as you described, especially since RMC sold the car in condition 1-2 (I do have some pictures).
 

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Wonderful report !......when I saw the headliner "M5T BL01934 for sale in NL !" my heart skipped a few beats and was beginning to wonder how to get Farrell over for another inspection ( sorry M8 ! ).

Reading your report though has saved all the trouble....from experience what the seller advertises is not what the buyer finds to be the case with these cars.

Have one inspection lined up for next month on what seems to be a very carefully maintained car....lets hope that it's "the one" !
 

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Erik said:
how to get Farrell over for another inspection
Get Faz over to the Netherlands for an inspection?
 

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Get Faz over to the Netherlands for an inspection?
How about just getting Faz over to the Netherlands.:grinyes:

Erik glad to see you read the whole description sounds like a car too highly priced for the condition would be nice to see some pictures though!
 

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Thanks Ray

At that time the car looks in very good condition shame that the owner in-between then and now really put the car through the mill.

What a shame!
 

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The story gets worse and worse

Idiot phase..What a shame.

The interior looks so smooth reg the leather, very nice.

Such a shame.
 

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Hey Simon,

Yes, I concidered purchasing BL01934 at the time, however I didn't want to part with mine for trade money.

Juding from the description from mx5freak, I estimate BL01934 now to be in condition 3-4, meaning drivable, but needs restoration. BL01859 was in a much better shape when it was offered for sale with 291k km in spring 2006 for slightly less then 9k, at least it was properly serviced up until 289k km.
 

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Hey Simon,

Yes, I concidered purchasing BL01934 at the time, however I didn't want to part with mine for trade money.

Juding from the description from mx5freak, I estimate BL01934 now to be in condition 3-4, meaning drivable, but needs restoration. BL01859 was in a much better shape when it was offered for sale with 291k km in spring 2006 for slightly less then 9k, at least it was properly serviced up until 289k km.
Hi Ray

Yes I can understand about the trade in price although it is a shame that it did not get into your hands as I think it would have faired a damm sight better.
 

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[quote

BL01859 was in a much better shape when it was offered for sale with 291k km in spring 2006 for slightly less then 9k, at least it was properly serviced up until 289k km.[/quote]

This car with licenseplate NN-JP-84 was first sold in Holland :first date of use: Jan, 31th, 1996. Dealer did not succeed for a long time, and decided breaking up this vehicle. I am, however, not quite sure of this. I saw him offering parts of a M5, hence my suspicion . Cannot remember his name .

Last production number is 1943 (July 1995) Source : Thomas Müller.
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AAAAAAARGHHHHHH
 

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This car with licenseplate NN-JP-84 was first sold in Holland :first date of use: Jan, 31th, 1996. Dealer did not succeed for a long time, and decided breaking up this vehicle. I am, however, not quite sure of this. I saw him offering parts of a M5, hence my suspicion . Cannot remember his name .
It was offered for sale by a second hand car dealer in Putten in spring 2006. After a month or two, it was sold to a Dutch fellow who also owns another M5T. Stevie and I saw that car and spoke with the new owner on 30-April 2006 during the combined e34m5.de / m5board.com meet on the Nordschleife.
 

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For the record:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=94223

NN-JP was NOT broken for spares bij Pol in Putten like a few saloons were. NN-JP (BLO1859) is in very good health and is run by a nice guy named Martijn. Just a phonecall away!


This car with licenseplate NN-JP-84 was first sold in Holland :first date of use: Jan, 31th, 1996. Dealer did not succeed for a long time, and decided breaking up this vehicle. I am, however, not quite sure of this. I saw him offering parts of a M5, hence my suspicion . Cannot remember his name .
 

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How about just getting Faz over to the Netherlands.:grinyes:

Erik glad to see you read the whole description sounds like a car too highly priced for the condition would be nice to see some pictures though!
Damn right !

Looking at the pics. at the time taken it seems to have been a decent example......see what several years in the wrong hands can do !:crying2:

@Wout.....haven't seen anything in the Netherlands yet nor has Farrell previously gone on my behalf....just a figure of speech:) .

If the "right" car were there then I would most definitely consider it though.
 

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Steve

The car you meant is the illusive "Kaiser Wilhelm"?

@ Erik

Farrell knows what to look for when appraising a car , good idea.
 

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Last production number is 1943 (July 1995) Source : Thomas Müller.
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Yes, BL01943 is the last VIN in the HJ91 VIN-range. However, the -very last HJ91- actually built is - BL01939 ( prod. date August 28th, 1995 = Yes !).

(I´ve just returned from vacation. I will check what I've got on - BL01934 -
except for what -Raymond W.- already sent.)
 
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