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Hello there, this is my first foray into proper full M car. I have a M140 and I am going to look at a 2008 M5 touring on Monday.

I have enquires about it’s history: clutch/flywheel 4k Mike’s ago, one of the throttle actuators replaced, good service history mixed BMW and specialist, 3 owners including the current one. Brakes and tyres are recent.

It’s black with black leather.

The current owner has only had it 8 months, apparently wants to get into a 911.

Is there anything I can do when I go to see the car, anything I should/can look for, anything that I haven’t asked already?

Mileage is just over 71k.

Thanks in advance 👍
 

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If you have ISTA or inpa take it with you and check the possible error codes when going to test drive. If RB's aren't done consider to change those. I have also E61 M5 allmost same mileage. My RB's was changed around 65000 miles. No copper visible but pretty weared. If it have panorama sunroof check that the water drain hoses are cleaned regurally. You don't wan't to add individual option "indoor pool"😀 Trunk wiring and diversity amplifier tends to go bad and broken. I'll say go for it if the car feels and sounds good. Tourings are pretty rare. Are you in the US or EU?
 

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I don’t have any code readers or equipment like that unfortunately. I’ll try to check the panoramic sunroof- any idea how? Certainly want to avoid that option!! 💦

I’m in the EU - Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
I’ve read something about the wiring in the rear of the car so will just have to see how that goes!

Are there any visible tell tale signs of something ominous I can look for?

Also, any recommendations for M specialist garages in Scotland? 👍
 

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If you buy the car get ISTA software in your laptop. Your definitely need it some point😀

Check the trunk area if there is sign of water. If not, your good. My advice is to clean those water pipes once a year.

Trunk wiring is easy to fix if some problems show up.

Listen the engine that there is no rattle or clicking/ticking sounds, also check if there is any leaks. Good engine will idle very smooth after engine is warmed up.

Check oil change intervals from the car records.

SMG could be sluggish in slow speeds but that's the nature of it. Test car in M-mode and give it a good push.

At some point you may need to pour some cash in the car but that's life😀 V10 sound is so addictive and gives me smiles everytime when i start her.

Let us know how it turns out.
 

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Also curious how you like M5 vs M140 after you drive the car. M140 is very fast and nice car but the M5 has something special and brute feeling which i don't have with other models. Could be the NA V10😀
 

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Thanks for the advice 👍

Yes, I’ll post more after Monday and update with what I did, hoped she’s a good one!! 😃
 

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Also curious how you like M5 vs M140 after you drive the car. M140 is very fast and nice car but the M5 has something special and brute feeling which i don't have with other models. Could be the NA V10😀
I’m hoping I’ll be able to get the power down a lot smoother with it being a real proper M car! Can’t wait to hear that V10!!🤩
 

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You must check for any water ingress in the battery compartment with the E61's including the M5. Make sure all the modules can be read using a code reader

Other thing to note is BMW warranty. On or below 69,999 the cost is OK. 70,000 and above the price is outrageous. The things to look out for are actuators, rod bearings, clutch * flywheel. Make sure the clutch & flywheel has been done recently. See here https://www.bmw-warranty.co.uk/Login/Index

Steve Lewis aka Mr Vanos (instagram) is always doing rod bearing work on the S85 so it might be wise to have a quick word with him about anything bearing related i.e. what miles S85's are spinning bearings on average, anything to listen/look out for

At slow speeds the SMG does take some getting used to. You have to keep reminding yourself its a manual gearbox with an electronic clutch. The ZF in the M140i is quickkk! and the E61 M5 gearbox is 100years behind lol .... BUT when everything works as it should and you've got an open road ahead of you which in Scotland i'm sure theres many (NC500 cough cough) dare I say there's nothing that delivers the same driving experience. What an epic motor that V10 Touring M5 will be
 

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Well I’ve taken the plunge!!!
Sound is awesome and I’m already smitten with the M button!!

It had a throttle actuator fitted on the 8th- was meant to have been done in 2016 but one was dated 2008 other 2016, the 2008 one had failed and so was replaced. Clutch was done 4K miles ago.

I will get it into a bm specialist ASAP for an o service and a full check. Rod bearings will be on the agenda.

Any recommendations for specialists in the Glasgow area?

I’m only half way home too, 3 more hours of V10 to go!! 😀
 

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Well I’ve taken the plunge!!!
Sound is awesome and I’m already smitten with the M button!!

It had a throttle actuator fitted on the 8th- was meant to have been done in 2006 but one was dated 2008 other 2016, the 2008 one had failed and so was replaced. Clutch was done 4K miles ago.

I will get it into a bm specialist ASAP for an o service and a full check. Rod bearings will be on the agenda.

Any recommendations for specialists in the Glasgow area?

I’m only half way home too, 3 more hours of V10 to go!! 😀

Sounds like you've got a good one ! Enjoy
 

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Congratulations for your new car! When it's time for rod bearings you might want to consider to get after market ones with bigger clearance. Also there is ton of info on this forum about the other maintenance item's which you might want to tackle same time with the bearings. Internal vanos oil line, oil pump tensioners, motor mounts etc.

There is a good rebuild service for throttle actuators in the UK, if your present ones decides to break. I have spare set of actuators which were refurbed by http://www.rebuild.org.uk you never know when you need them :)
 

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Shes booked in tues/wed next week with a specialist for the big service, brakes and rear suspension arms. Also, I hope to discuss rod bearings and other such things I can do as a preventative measure, as well as updates and maybe some coding! I'll keep you all posted!
 

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A wee update:

So dropped the beast off at my new Indy in Glasgow-

Rear brake pads new- discs are done! Why would the previous Indy not replace the discs?? New rear brakes ordered!!

Rear suspension arms fine for now.

Front bushes being changed to polymer ones.

Front brakes ok 👍

Discovered that the front right under tray in front of the wheel has had a hole cut in it- Indy suspects a pi$$ed off mechanic who was having trouble accessing the oil filter is the guilty party- whole new front undertray/wheel arch tray requires- ordered!

Doesn’t look like the transmission fluid has been changed- ever!! Full inspection II/major service being carried out!!

Rod bearings/shells- long discussion, another customer who’s car was running perfect with perfect history decided to do the preventative measure and replace- just in time, some very worn shells!! Saw the pictures- not pretty!! New parts ordered and to be fitted!

I’ll get the beast back next week, meanwhile I have a mini as a courtesy car 😭 it’s not the same, it really is not!!

I’ll update on progress and any other info as I get it 😃
 

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Seems like the M got a very good new home:smileWhich bearing shells you ordered? I suggest that you replace the internal vanos pressure hose while the rod bearings are changed.
 

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Seems like the M got a very good new home/vbulletin/images/M5Board_vbtoucan/smilies/tango_face_smile.pngWhich bearing shells you ordered? I suggest that you replace the internal vanos pressure hose while the rod bearings are changed.
I’ll find out tomorrow which ones my Indy was talking about- forgotten the name.

Is the Vanos pressure hose something that needs replaced?
 

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Is the Vanos pressure hose something that needs replaced?
There's some cases that the internal vanos high pressure line is ruptured. It's not a big cost to change the line when the oil pan is off. Mine was changed also when my rod bearings (BE bearings) was changed last year. Also oil pump tensioners and piston oil squirters was changed.
 

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