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Those are pretty close to what I paid. Some of the fees are based on the value of the car. My BT was imported as a $10k car.


Any update?
Hi! The updates are: I paid $7.800 for EPA/DOT fees and conversion about a month ago. And just today JK send me a parts price quote which is little bit over $13.000. Pretty big list actually. How do you think, why would they need to replace exhaust manifold, both bumpers carriers, shock absorbers?

Also I asked them about the dashboard and the answer was not encouraging: "It is usually modified or replaced but the UK cluster does not have warning systems that are required for compliance." And as of today: "Note the non-Alpina instrument cluster. This will be required, as Alpina does not make an instrument cluster with proper indicator lights (even the UK version).

I will try to upload images of the parts quote later.
 

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Ouch, the bumper stuff should be to meet US safety standards. Exhaust manifold might be some US smog difference, just a guess though.
 

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Ouch, the bumper stuff should be to meet US safety standards. Exhaust manifold might be some US smog difference, just a guess though.
That's makes sense... Probably instead of replacing the catalytic converters, which could be more expensive. How do you think - will replaced exhaust manifolds affect on the performance?

And I hope they will fit the original bumper onto this different carrier. I also wonder why the need to replace shock absorbers as they are in the list among other stuff?..

I wrote a letter with all these questions for them. Waiting for response.
 

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As I promised I'm attaching the PDF with the parts quote and some PDFs with detailed comparison and description of some parts that are subjects to replace.

Also, here's some explanations from JK engineer: "The two exhaust manifolds are part of the catalytic converter. See attached document “EUR.pdf” and “USA.pdf” for diagrams for both markets. Those in your vehicle are different than those used in the USA market. By replacing them, the performance in your vehicle is not likely to change."

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With regard to the shock absorbers; this relates to the impact energy absorption for the front bumper. This “foam” is placed between the cross member bar and the bumper cover. We are not doing anything with the bumper covers, however the cross member bar needs to be replace in the front and rear bumpers (again, see attached diagrams)."
 

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US NHTSA laws recently change (within the past 18 months) requiring your RI (JK) to destroy all non-US approved items when removed from your car (and not give them to you)..
Yeah, they told me, that unless I will have an address outside the North America to send the removed parts they gonna destroy them. And they're not sure if they will be able to ship them at all.

I would like to keep the original rear window shelf which they're going to replace because it doesn't have the ISOFIX thing.
 

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Actually the regulation about destroying the Non US homologate parts having implemented for a long time…by giving those parts to the customer the RI can easily lose their license; If that happened it is very difficult almost impossible to be reinstated.

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Also I would like to keep the original rear window shelf which they're going to replace because it doesn't have the ISOFIX thing.
What in hell are they taking care of? ISOFIX?? C'mon this is written by Kafka hmmm

Kudos to your perseverance!

Maybe you should give this one a shot: http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/alpinaboard-com-bmw-alpina-discussion/227633-selling-my-e65-alpina-b7-35-500-a.html#post2698929 Same factory, same philosophy, same power but a lot more hassle-free. And: expect a significant drop in power after all these DOT-compliant engine add-ons are installed. Not sure how the H1-engine will cough with standard exhaust manifolds?
 

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There are some people that just talk without knowing what they meaning…with all the respect to vehicle owners…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
I guess that is why there are Automotive Engineer; they know how to USE the right terminology…ISOFIX; By the way DOT does not regulate the power train in the vehicle; the regulation for DOT are for safety “ FMVS” (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety) EPA is the one who regulate the power train in the vehicle…Go Figure….in regards of the B7 Vs. B5 There are some people that likes Unique cars; you can find a B7 anywhere in the USA; I guess A B5 is UNIQUE that is a prestige to Own it…<o:p></o:p>
Is like owning an 850 CSI 1997; you can find any up to 1995 in the USA but not many 1997….<o:p></o:p>
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ISOFIX stands for “International Standards Organization FIX” in everyday speech it is just an international standard fitting system, which provides the safest, easiest and quickest way to install a child car seat correctly It; it was base since there are a lot of people that have not idea in how to properly secure a child seat in the car…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
There are lower tether or anchorage ( 2 for each side of the rear bench) which in most cases all market vehicles have them; but in the USA market ; there is an additional top or upper tether, a third anchorage point significantly minimized the forward and rotational movement (child seat) in the event of a crash…<o:p></o:p>
:eek:h:hmmm as i mentioned before we are here to learn....
 

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There are some people that just talk without knowing what they meaning…
Huh?

Maybe you just misunderstood me, as I'm not a native speaker. So please let me explain: I'm aware of the purpose of ISOFIX, I am using it every day with a child seat in my car, but thanks for explaining it anyway.

I tried to point out that there are way more important things to focus on in the process of getting a Euro-spec car road legal in the U.S. than a third ISOFIX connector, are you with me? That's why I said parts of this importing story remind me of Kafka. If you don't get the Kafka-thing, just look him up on wikipedia. Nevertheless it obviously is a safety related part, and if it's mandatory to have one, go and get it installed. Fine with me.

ReyTech; said:
in regards of the B7 Vs. B5 There are some people that likes Unique cars; you can find a B7 anywhere in the USA; I guess A B5 is UNIQUE that is a prestige to Own it…
Is like owning an 850 CSI 1997; you can find any up to 1995 in the USA but not many 1997…
Sorry, it's not like owning a '97 850 CSi, you're comparing apples and oranges here. A 850 CSi still is a BMW to the core, regardless of being a '95 or a '97 model. It is, was and always will be a BMW and nothing else.

The problem with this BMW/ALPINA B5 in particular is the fact, that they try to import it under the BMW VIN as a Euro-spec BMW 545i and not under the ALPINA VIN (for other obvious reasons, I have to admit). But this car never was a BMW 545i with just some bolted on ALPINA parts. Go figure, to speak in your words. :3:

Metaphorically spoken: It is an engineered, developed, tested and bespoke package that uses the 5-series just as a housing. Everything from the engine, the driveshaft, the exhaust system (Boysen stainless steel), parts of the chassis, amongst other parts, is different from a 545i and had been composed and refined by ALPINA to work together in the best possible way.

After learning what a BMW/ALPINA B5 is, what next?
The importer is browsing the BMW parts catalogue with a VIN related to a 545i. Now that's comfy! They can easily pick a U.S. part number for everything that has to be changed according to the plan to convert a Euro-545i to a U.S.-545i.

So far, so good. But: are we having a Euro-545i? No.

Are there parts on the swap list that are installed in a BMW 545i but not in a BMW/ALPINA B5? Yes.

Will the exhaust manifold fit? Maybe.

Will the BMW/ALPINA ECU understand the values coming from the U.S. catalysts and corresponding lambda sensors? Not likely.

Will the engine even fire up? Not likely.

The million-dollar question is: will the BMW/ALPINA B5 still be the same car after all the U.S. 545i parts had been installed? No.

In short, it may be unique to own a B5 in the U.S. but in the end it could be worthless if the car isn't running anymore. That's why I pointed out to look after a U.S.-spec B7 as it is (almost) the same package in a different shape and at the end of the day the smarter way to get value for money.

Again, kudos to 'Alpina B5 for USA!' for starting this project and his endurance in getting it done!
 

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Ok, just to quote I don’t want to make this a debate; or make some people unhappy; after all if you have money use it, or waste it in the way you want it..As simple as that…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
I am an Automotive Engineer; I know very well both markets, Row (rest of the world) and US. Not only for BMW but for many others as for example: Mercedes Benz, Porsche, Audi, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Mc Larens (BMW and Mercedes) etc…So when I type words here I know what I am talking about. If you want to learn it is fine; if you don’t it is fine too, BUT PLEASE don’t try to confuse other members…<o:p></o:p>
So haven said that; an ALPINA does not stay along that is way is call BMW ALPINA; if you think that your B7 2007 is complete different than a BMW 7 series 2007 you are complete wrong; B7 is just a tune up 7 series BMW; what ALPINA did basically was add a super charge to the engine and all the components relate whit the addition of that, change the parameters in the coding and programming so the transmission and engine are in the same game…and other cosmetic things to make the car looks different…(Blue gauges instrument cluster, different wheels, covers seats, different logos and so on)<o:p></o:p>
Different driveshaft…really; type the VIN of your B7 in the BMW catalog and compare with a BMW 2007 and you will see that the parts numbers are just the SAME…<o:p></o:p>
The only different in the exhaust system is the rear muffler (B5 and BMW 545i) the catalectic converter are the same too, in doing the conversion why are they replaced is just for warranty purposes the RI have to warranty all emissions relate parts, and also it depends on how many miles the vehicle have. If it has more than 50K they will be replaced.<o:p></o:p>
Will the ECU understand what is coming front the Catalysts converter; the oxygen sensors front (2) and rears (2) are the ones in charge of doing those reading and sending the information to the ECU…How oxygen sensor works…<o:p></o:p>
A gasoline engine burns gasoline in the presence of oxygen; it turns out that there is a particular ratio of air and gasoline that is “perfect” and that ratio is 14.7:1 (different fuels have different perfect ratios the ratio depends on the amount of hydrogen and carbon found in a given amount of fuel). If there is less air than this perfect ratio, then there will be fuel left over, after the combustion. This is called rich mixtures. Rich mixtures are bad because the unburned fuel creates pollution. If there is more air than this perfect ratio, then there is excess oxygen. This is called lean mixture. A lean mixture tends to produce more nitrogen-oxide pollutants, and in some cases, it can cause poor performance. So I don’t know what you are talking about when saying.<o:p></o:p>
Will the BMW/ALPINA ECU understands the values coming from the U.S. catalysts and corresponding lambda sensors? Not likely.”<o:p></o:p>
So please think what you saying before you type it.<o:p></o:p>
 

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Now apart from the fact or ALPINA and BMW; I believe that JK is a respectable RI; just check them… they are the ones who did the crash test for the R33 NISSAN SKY LINE, did the crash test for the Mercedes Benz Smart cars before Mercedes Benz brought them in the US. Also have done numerous of projects, BMW F1 MC Laren, Mercedes Benz SLR Sterling Moss (Mc Laren), Porsche 997 sport classic. Etc...Etc... They being on business for over 25 yeras, I guess they know what they are doing…<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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The only different in the exhaust system is the rear muffler (B5 and BMW 545i) the catalectic converter are the same too<o:p></o:p>
Just for the record: I don't want to add more fuel to the fire but I knew there are pictures out there that show the complete exhaust system of an E60 B5, just had to digg them up first. I think there's more to it than just the rear muffler?

Any updates on the importing process?




 

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There are no any major updates since they sent me a parts lists. That's a quote from their last message to me on February 1st:

"I cannot give you a time for completion as we will not know everything that is required until the petition is approved by DOT.

Conversion work will be done according to the specifications of the DOT petition. Once the petition has been approved, you are welcome to review it online for further details."
 

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Hi everyone!
Finally I got some updates about my B5. It's still in Baltimore and JK Tech petitioned the car on 26th of July. They say they expect to finish the work on the car in about a month from now. I'll ask them to send me some pictures of a current car's shape and will post it here.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that by DOT rules JK have to either destroy or ship the parts taken off the car. The best option I have right now is ask them to ship these parts outside the US. And I desperately need your help on this. I need an address outside US to ship these parts. There are not so many: the original instrument cluster, the rear shelf, headlights and taillights. They replaced the original rear shelf with the US-spec which has the 3rd clip for the child seat.
Would anyone can help me out on that?
Thanks in advance!
 

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Mr. Alpina B5 for USA! - PM me, I'll help you out. I live just outside of Calgary, AB. :)
 

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Hello There
I am happy that JK got the petition clear, that is a big. Now I believe that you will be able to get the Inst. Cluster (Original-Apina) from JK if you know who to ask nicely.
By the way most of the time sending the parts to CANADA is one thing, but bringing them back could be a little tough since US Custom check them (some times) and if they see that they are NON-USA (DOT/EPA) Parts they may hold them. But good luck…
Best Regards
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